Middle Stance Emerges in Debate Over Climate

NY Times ^ | January 1, 2007 | ANDREW C. REVKIN

[Candor7]

I got the graphic at:

http://www.john-daly.com/solar.htm

The data is quite revealing and utterly devastating to global warming/swarming advocacy, which I consider to be an extremist auto-religious movement.

C7

[cogitator]

Thanks. The late John Daly, with whom I corresponded, does not cite the source of the graph nor the source of the data from which it was derived. So what data were you referring to?

[lepton]

Because that amount of heat is known, it is also known that this amount of heat does not affect climate and doesn't even appreciably affect the temperature of the oceans. Local effects will be measurable, of course.

It's not particularly known. The average for the crust is known, but the specifics of the smoker fields are not known - and they are but one type of thermal emmission. yes, we've known that there are undersea volcanoes for centuries, and have identified some fields, but the smaller (than an open volcano) massive thermal fields we still don't have a handle on.

[lepton]

oh. O.K. I get what you're saying now. It's not exactly what I was talking about, but yeah, we have some general idea of how much heat a given area of crust contains, and what it can give off - though the heat output is not insubstantial in a thermal body like the ocean.

[cogitator]

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[SuziQ]

The belief in human caused global warming is religion, not science.

Bump!

[Tarpon]

I still say the best fire insurance is send alGore up to pi$$ on the sun, there is a whole lot of heating going on up there.

Anybody hear the magnetic field of the Earth is decreasing? Anyone concerned?

[SuziQ]

Mead is made from honey.

[SuziQ]

Anybody hear the magnetic field of the Earth is decreasing?

[mewzilla]

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[GladesGuru]

Honey is available further north than are grapes, which made for happy Vikings.

[mrsmith]

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[preacher]

Did you check any of the 17,000+ signers? I checked out 1 at random. (I picked out a rather unusual name & did a Google search.)

This is what I found:
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Ade_C._53220978.aspx

If I found on 1 try an eminently qualified scientist that settles the matter for me. What are the odds I picked out 1 of the supposedly few qualified scientists on 1 try?

[Lancey Howard]

The middle is the right place to be on this "issue". The "middle" being right between the "global cooling" of the '70s and the "global warming" of the '90s. Hey wait.... that means I must be in the '80s.

Ahhh.... the '80s....

[cogitator]

Why do you think someone with a Ph.D. in chemical engineering is qualified to judge a climate science issue? Would you want a pharmacist to treat your torn rotator cuff? (After all, the pharmacist must know something about medicine, right?)