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The Balkan Islamic Jihad: A Pan-European calamity
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/michaletos/007.shtml ^

Posted on 12/31/2006 9:33:43 AM PST by kronos77

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To: lqclamar

And why do you accept Crowder's numbers over Scheck's?


241 posted on 02/24/2007 8:28:48 PM PST by zimdog
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To: lqclamar
Betting doesn't cut it though, and indisputably they had muslim colonials as well...something that you called "patently false" in a previous post IIRC.

I did not say that the collaborationist Vichy regime did not claim control over France's colonies and soldiers. I said it was patently false that West Africans fought for the Nazis. I stand by that.

242 posted on 02/24/2007 8:30:40 PM PST by zimdog
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To: lqclamar
With 57,000 already established, it is not unreasonable to expect that the remainder of the aforementioned units would raise the total muslim nazi count to over 100,000.

57,000 hasn't been established. For example, Nazi support for Kilani does not mean Iraqi support for Nazis. Furthermore, I'll want some citations (page numbers, etc) for 1-5, and 7, as well as your reasoning behind who was Muslim and who was not.

243 posted on 02/24/2007 8:33:26 PM PST by zimdog
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To: tgambill
As far as my comment, "Most Muslims are of ME decent"....I guess I was wrong.

You were.

I thought that mecca was in Saudi, I suppose that it's in Germany or France. Oh, and the Pilgrims didn't bring their idea of Christianity, they brought prayer rugs instead.

You thought wrong.

Opppps, my fault in not knowing history. lolol...:)

It is.

244 posted on 02/24/2007 8:36:33 PM PST by zimdog
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To: tgambill
Oh, you are a novice with your methods. I will say they taught you well. I certainly can't ask you to verify much since you don't provide much. You do the old round circle, and use the techniques they taught you to create disinformation among facts.

Whatever alliance of Muslims, Freemasons, Illuminati, and International Jewry you suggest has "taught" me is irrelevant. You offered a ridiculous statement and it will be taken as such unless you can support such a statement with factual evidence. Your unwillingness to do so creates disinformation.

245 posted on 02/24/2007 8:39:33 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
And why do you accept Crowder's numbers over Scheck's?

Because Crowder specifically states the number mobilized IN France. Scheck is ambiguous and seems to include those in transit.

246 posted on 02/24/2007 9:58:46 PM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: zimdog
57,000 hasn't been established.

243 indicates otherwise.

For example, Nazi support for Kilani does not mean Iraqi support for Nazis.

Kilani formally allied with Nazi Germany and attacked the British enemies of Nazi Germany. That makes the troops who fought for him Nazi allies as well.

Furthermore, I'll want some citations (page numbers, etc) for 1-5, and 7

Multiple citations have been given throughout this thread and others for each unit described. You chose to ignore them at the time, and I presently lack the incentive to go back and repeat them for you. So I suggest you scroll up.

247 posted on 02/24/2007 10:03:59 PM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: lqclamar

Above should refer to Post 231 where the numbers are detailed, not 243. Sorry for any confusion.


248 posted on 02/24/2007 10:04:58 PM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: lqclamar
Because Crowder specifically states the number mobilized IN France. Scheck is ambiguous and seems to include those in transit.

Sheck is unambiguous when he says "The overall number of Tirailleurs Sénégalais deployed in France between September 3, 1939, and June 25, 1940, was 100,000, but around one-third of them were still in training or in transit when the armistice took effect;"

249 posted on 02/25/2007 8:39:40 AM PST by zimdog
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To: lqclamar
243 indicates otherwise.

243 is a list of names and numbers. There is no transparency as to how you arrived at those numbers and some of them are wrong. For example, in your figures of 10,000 casualties in Kilani's army you seem to be counting those who surrendered to the British in the course of the 6-week war.

Kilani formally allied with Nazi Germany and attacked the British enemies of Nazi Germany. That makes the troops who fought for him Nazi allies as well.

If that's your criterion, why are you ignoring the big picture? You've prattled on about 30,000 Muslims fighting on the side of the Nazis while you ignore the 18,000,000 overwhelmingly Christian soldiers in the Wehrmacht.

Multiple citations have been given throughout this thread and others for each unit described. You chose to ignore them at the time, and I presently lack the incentive to go back and repeat them for you. So I suggest you scroll up.

I've "scrolled up" and there are no page numbers or even specific books attached to each claim. As you have insinuated before (which suggests that this is how you operate) your unwillingness to provide specifics suggests that you're hiding something.

250 posted on 02/25/2007 8:51:29 AM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
There is no transparency as to how you arrived at those numbers

False. I've cited multiple sources on this thread and others (e.g. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787520/posts?page=31#31). You ignored them at the time, and now you're using your laziness as an excuse to pretend that they did not exist.

and some of them are wrong.

You've yet to show that for so much as a single man.

For example, in your figures of 10,000 casualties in Kilani's army you seem to be counting those who surrendered to the British in the course of the 6-week war.

If the British recorded 10,000 Iraqi Nazi casualties, it follows logically that the Iraqi Nazi army was greater in number than 10,000 men.

251 posted on 02/25/2007 10:32:01 AM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: zimdog

To "deploy in France" does not equal "to arrive in France." Furthermore, Scheck specifically states that some were still in transit. U.S. troops currently en route to Iraq but not there yet are nonetheless deployed.


252 posted on 02/25/2007 10:56:11 AM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: lqclamar
False. I've cited multiple sources on this thread and others

You've given the titles of books and nothing more. That would earn you an "F" on whatever term paper you might be writing.

You ignored them at the time, and now you're using your laziness as an excuse to pretend that they did not exist.

To quote you on an earlier thread, before your recent flip-flop:

"Anybody can throw out a book title or author. If you can't show specifically what they say and represent it accurately you shouldn't expect others to take your word on it."

If the British recorded 10,000 Iraqi Nazi casualties, it follows logically that the Iraqi Nazi army was greater in number than 10,000 men.

Then you'll have no trouble producing these numbers. And I won't expect you to consider as "casualties" the POWs who surrendered to the British at their first opportunity in this 6 week war.

Then you can discuss the 18,000,000 Christian Nazis in the Wehrmacht.

253 posted on 02/25/2007 11:41:28 AM PST by zimdog
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To: lqclamar
To "deploy in France" does not equal "to arrive in France."

You might be confusing "deploy TO France" and "deploy IN France." How can soldiers be deployed in France if they were not already in France?

And it's quite possible that troops who had arrived by boat would take time to get to the boat.

But more to the point, Scheck gives us a figure of approx, 66,000 West African troops on the front lines defending France from Christian Nazi soldiers. Crowder gives a figure of 80,000 in France.

254 posted on 02/25/2007 11:51:01 AM PST by zimdog
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To: lqclamar
from the boat. To the front.
255 posted on 02/25/2007 11:55:37 AM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
You've given the titles of books and nothing more.

And I'd be inclined to go back, look up the pages, and provide them if I believed that you were interested in honestly discussing the issue. Your past behavior indicates you are not though, which inclines me to leave you to search for the pages yourself. You have the books and the numbers. If you doubt them, prove me wrong.

256 posted on 02/25/2007 12:19:49 PM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: lqclamar

Zimmy's "references" derive from obscure left wing French newsletters...now that's neat trick. Ho Chi Min would approve.


257 posted on 02/25/2007 12:22:30 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: lqclamar
And I'd be inclined to go back, look up the pages, and provide them if I believed that you were interested in honestly discussing the issue. Your past behavior indicates you are not though, which inclines me to leave you to search for the pages yourself.

Isn't this what you were castigating me for a few weeks ago? My claims held up when I found the book. You already have the books. If the numbers you cite are truly taken from these books, you have to cite the pages. If not, your own suspicions lead the rest of us to believe that you are hiding something.

258 posted on 02/25/2007 12:26:03 PM PST by zimdog
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To: eleni121
And which ones are those, Elly?

I'm still waiting for you to translate the "real" meaning of نَصَارَى.

259 posted on 02/25/2007 12:29:27 PM PST by zimdog
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To: eleni121
Interesting point. It should also be pointed out that the one time he did use a scholarly source - the Scheck article - he neglected to provide anything remotely close to a full citation and gave only a partial quote so as to disguise the fact that the same article gave substantially lower numbers for actual African combattants and indicated that they were forced conscripts.

In short, Zimmy's own citation standards form himself are substantially lower than both the citations I have given and the additional information he demands of me. Again, if I believed he was honestly interested in investigating the numbers of those sources I'd take the time to oblige him. But I know from experience that he is not - he's only here to agitate and spout rabid Islamophilia while feigning a transparent interest in conversation.

260 posted on 02/25/2007 12:31:00 PM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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