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I think it's improper to state Warren hangs out with Obama. As I understand it, Warren invited Obama to speak at a HIV/AIDS conference. As I previously said, I think Warren needs to be careful as he continues to create and expand his other interests.

From what I can tell, when Warren is involved with groups other than Saddleback he isn't wearing his pastoral hat and it seems people want to put Warren in a box but Warren isn't interested in being in a box. Because of his other interests he needs to be careful how his actions outside his Saddleback role looks to others.

It's not his dress or "role" it is ALL about what he is ADVOCATING - that's the problem with him. I will narrow my complaint, although there are more ... to abstinence.

Why can other clergy clearly state abstinence is Biblically correct when Rick Warren advocates condoms? How does Warren square this with the Bible? We both know that condoms isn't equivalent to abstinence. It's a band aide to allow for promiscuity. It's saying he has already giving up on folks not having sex outside of marriage.

Perhaps Warren should take a trip to Uganda. They are BOLD in stating ABSTINENCE is the way to go and having much success - and they're SECUALR people advocating this to curb the AIDS epidemic.

I see him validating this verse:

Rom.12:2

[2] And be NOT conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Through Rick Warren's constant compromising how is he NOT conforming to THIS world?

Of course no mere mortal will be perfect but Rick Warren, as a "leader" has NO business defining His Word down to suit THIS WORLD. I don't know if she is a Christian or not but she is telling the truth on THIS issue:

Abstinence Alone Protects Fully Against HIV, Ugandan First Lady Tells Youth LifeSite ^ | December 6, 2006 |

Gudrun Schultz MUKONO, Uganda, December 6, 2006

(LifeSiteNews.com) - Janet Museveni, First Lady of Uganda, has continued her strong support for the country’s successful abstinence campaign against HIV/AIDS with a statement encouraging youth to live lives of “love, faith and purity,” New Vision reported December 2. "I would not be caught advising you to take any shortcuts or compromise your lives by using any device invented by man, such as condoms, in order to facilitate any desire to go against God's clear plan for your life,” Mrs. Museveni told students at the Uganda Christian University, Mukono, for World AIDS Day. “God's plan for your life is that you should honour your body because it is His temple." Warning the young people that they should not be complacent as HIV infection rates rise, Mrs. Museveni asked them to encourage other students to abstain from premarital sex.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/dec/06120601.html

Please explain to me why Rick Warren REFUSES to do what God wants for all of us - a pure life, NO AIDS, NO emotional issues from sleeping around? Why does Warren advocate the OPPOSITE and expect to be respected and lauded for conforming to THIS world of cultural depravity?
Rick Warren tries to profit by selling cheap grace with an uncertain eternal life.

Just what is Warren's self righteous excuse for recommending condoms?

With just a little thought, forget about what the Bible states, SECULAR research supports ABSTINENCE to stop AIDS spread through premarital sex.

Medical Journalist Says Reliance on Condoms Spreads HIV/AIDS
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jun/06062304.html

Uganda AIDS Prevention Success Being Undermined by Infuriated UN Condom-Pushers
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/feb/05020408.html

UN Anger Over Uganda's Successful Abstinence Program Fueled by Loss of Funds Says Researcher
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/oct/05101404.html

Uganda's First Lady Warns Teens against Condom Use
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/jan/04011205.html

Ugandan Abstinence AIDS Prevention Program Equivalent to a Highly Effective Vaccine, Researchers Find
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/apr/04043004.html