Posted on 12/31/2006 8:41:18 AM PST by Gamecock
I pray that you have found a church home that nurtures and strengthen you through their commitment to Jesus and His Word.
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As does Saddleback. Very powerfully with their small groups. There's a lot of loving acocuntability in them--which is Biblically, as it should be.
Rick Warren is NOT teaching the ways or wisdom of Christ.
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Hogwash. There's plenty to support the construction that the above sentence is a brazen lie.
Basically, he's not doing so ACCORDING TO OTHER'S SPECIFICATIONS.
Well tough taco. He has only to be concerned about God's specifications for him.
I thought this Scripture meant God was going be the judge.
But now that I've read some of the comments on this thread ...
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Well put.
I think the essence of your comment is a great point.
However, folks will shred you over the word "gimmick."
Maybe you need to find a church who's only gimmick is the preaching of God's word.
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What a straw dog.
EVERY church I've ever been in of all varieties has had a method, feature, emphasis--whatever one wants to call it along those lines--that made them distinctive or attempted to make them distinctive from the unwashed worse congregations outside THEIR walls.
Often times the dictinctions were brazen and loudly proclaimed. Sometimes they were subtle but ruthlessly rigid and exclusionary, cliquish.
And probably 70-90% of those churches would claim to
ONLY BE TEACHING GOD'S WORD pure and unadulterated.
Hogwash.
All preachers are human. All put their spin on it. ALL THEIR SPIN IS NOT PURE. In 60 years, I've NEVER seen a 100% pure preacher put 100% Holy Spirit spin on plain teaching of Scripture.
Some are worse than others. But all are human.
I find the assertion a huge straw dog to the point of absurdity and a phoney declaration.
Quix: [... ACCORDING TO OTHER'S SPECIFICATIONS...]
Glad to see you have come out fighting today.
I agree with this defense. It's always a bad
idea to outline for God.
Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth;
shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the
wilderness, and rivers in the desert. (Isaiah 43:19)
I don't believe that even the ruthlessly hostile naysayers hereon
WERE THEY ACTUALLY TO PARTICIPATE IN SADDLEBACK'S GROUPS FOR 12 MONTHS--I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM
WOULD FIND IT ALL THAT EASY OR COMFORTABLE TO MEASURE UP TO THE STANDARD OF OBEDIENCE TO SCRIPTURE AND RELATIONSHIPS THAT THE GROUPS ROUTINELY ENCOURAGE, SUPPORT AND EXHORT THEIR MEMBERS TO DO IN A VERY, VERY BIBLICAL FASHION.
Sheesh. I am increasingly incredulous at the mostly false stuff spread about regarding RW and his operations.
Biased opinions, largely. Distorting wholesale if not fabricating whole cloth out of thin air. I can't imagine God being pleased.
See post #460.
Yes. Some tossed me into the chipper feet first for
the "gimmick" comment. But I stand by it. You and
I understand the "spirit" of my comment (which wasn't
difficult to figure out).
Lot of "choking on a gnat" goin' on here.
The only church's with "gimmicks" are ones that quit preaching the word
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Hogwash. NOt from this psychologist/sociologist's perspective.
EVERY PREACHER . . . 100% OF ALL PREACHERS I've heard in person, on the radio, on TV, read . . . 100% of them had his own personal schstick--distinctives.
Some were more closely and conservatively tied directly to Scripture and didn't elaborate much beyond Scripture. But even they DID SOME--sufficiently for folks to know how to align with the preacher's disctinctives sufficiently to be on his good side regardless of what Scripture said.
But the overwhelming majority of all preachers have disctinctives EVEN IN THE SUPPOSED SIMPLE PREACHING OF THE WORD--plenty of vivid and overt distinctives sufficient to inculcate into their flocks what makes THEIR FLOCK MORE HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS than all those others out there--even if they periodically claim it's not true.
It's basically old IN-GROUP/OUT-GROUP STUFF. And all humans are prone to it.
And a lot of that is what RW is so guilty of--not being part of the IN-GROUP of the Jr Accusers assaulting him and his ways.
Sure, Jesus Christ and Him Crucified is a great emphasis.
Paul emphasized that plenty.
BUT NOT ONLY.
And choosing from Scripture what to emphasize does not automatically make someone a heretic on a par with those who rape babies. Reading RW bashing threads, one could easily conclude otherwise.
Ping of interest.
Hogwash.
EVERY TRANSLATION involves paraphrase. What a straw dog.
Sheesh!
Great point.
I"m not surprised that Rick Warrens unScriptural teachings don't phase you at all.
Amen! Amen! Amen!
There's a time and place for fire and brimstone.
It is awesomely horrible to fall into the hands of an angry God Almighty when one has been actively in rebellion to Him.
But Christ was only in that mode against the prissy religious rulers of His earthly era.
I haven't seen a prissy bone in RW's body nor in any of his methods. I have seen layers and tons of prissiness on the part of his Jr Accusers.
"The drug stuff was not as some portrayed it, as I recall."
Your recall is flawed.
I don'rt remember if it was meth or crack that she shared with him. It's moot. Reading PDL was the "high" while also on these drugs. Yeah, she's a new creature in Christ all right ... LOL!
One thing I can't argue with is the Holy Spirit is convicting people to a saving knowledge of God through Warren's ministry.
Just watching out for the false ones. And there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.
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Basically, I'd agree in principle.
In practice on RW bashing threads, that's not the reality I observe.
The falseness seems virtually wholesale and near 100% on the side of the Jr Accusers of the Bretheren.
The UnBiblical perspectives seem virtually wholesale on the side of the Jr Accusers.
The UnBiblically majoring in minors and minoring in majors seems overwhelmingly on the side of the Jr Accusers.
that is what we have been doing here.
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Not in my book by a wide margin.
As for how we go about telling about false teachers, that is what we have been doing here.
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If so, then that's all the religious rulers of Jesus earthly era were doing too.
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