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Looking Behind the 'Purpose Driven' Sheep's Clothing
Cybercast News Service ^ | December 29, 2006 | Christopher G. Adamo

Posted on 12/31/2006 8:41:18 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: Gamecock

Good article. Thanks for posting.

Thankfully, Warren has shown his true colors.


41 posted on 12/31/2006 9:54:38 AM PST by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: Quix
"Another splendid article by another Jr Accuser of the Bretheren."

Another thoughtless defense by another blind follower of the most destructive "minister" in modern times.

42 posted on 12/31/2006 9:57:27 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: TommyDale

the most destructive "minister" in modern times.
= = = =

I don't believe that's God's perspective. I prefer God's perspective over the perspectives elaborated so pontifically on these bash RW threads.

Actually, I'm not really a follower of RW much at all. I didn't even read every line of PDL. But I do hate seeing someone so foundationally Biblical in their essential, core beliefs and practices get bashed so ruthlessly so constantly and so . . . wrongly.

Sure, I'd like to see him come 100% clean on the Syria thing and get some more wisdom in this or that area. But the bulk of the accusations are nothing more than phariseeism of the modern era. And I'm not any more in favor of that than Jesus was 2,000 years ago.


43 posted on 12/31/2006 10:01:37 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Gamecock
Thanks for posting this. I would hesitate to throw the baby out with the bathwater here regardless of Warren's foibles and idiotic statements because I think the vanilla preachers have their place in Christiandom, filling a niche for people who wouldn't otherwise be interested.

I go to a "mega-church" which loosely follows the willow creek model, and quite frankly the sermons are full of pap and pablum. The music are all 7/11 songs...7 words repeated 11 times...they suck.

However, it is in the small groups and bible studies where the "mega-churches" succeed IMHO.....better than the smaller churches in my experience.

As for Warren himself I do not see any blantant heresy or evil doctrine like you might find on some of the showbiz preacher shows on TBN. Perhaps he should stick to pablum pushing and running his organization and keep out of politics.
44 posted on 12/31/2006 10:06:23 AM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource GM to a Red State! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: Quix
"I don't believe that's God's perspective."

Have you read the documented accounts of the division caused within the hundreds (if not thousands) of churches by the "40 Days" Warren program? The Wall Street Journal has done two stories so far, and the editor at the WSJ could probably write a book, just from the amount of information that was gathered.

45 posted on 12/31/2006 10:08:25 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: lastchance
'Dear God, I want to know Your purpose for my life. I don't want to waste the rest of my life on the wrong things. Today I want to take the first step in preparing for eternity by getting to know You. Jesus Christ, I don't understand it all, but as much as I know how, I want to open my life to You. I ask you to come into my life and make yourself real to me. Use this series to help me know what You made me for. Thank you. Amen.'

"If you just prayed that prayer for the very first time, I congratulate you. You've just become a part of the family of God."

I've never really paid much attention to this guy but the previous passage is full of crap and completely bogus.

It was missing a few things.:

Where was the acknowledgement that God created and rules everything?
Where is the acknowledgement that I have sinned and come short of Heaven?
Where is the prayer that asks Jesus Christ to become my savior and that I accept his gift?

Do all that ... THEN you're a Christian.

46 posted on 12/31/2006 10:10:12 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Not one of those seasonal Festivians. I practice the Airing of Grievances daily. Often on this site.)
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To: Gamecock

ping


47 posted on 12/31/2006 10:16:17 AM PST by rawhide
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To: Centurion2000

The author of the article agreed with you. He responded to Rick Warren's statement with:

" this a response to the gospel? Where is repentance, acknowledgement of need, or confession of personal sin? Where is the cross? The Bible tells us that saving "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." [Romans 10:17-18] But none of the Scriptures that show the gospel are mentioned in this first lesson. Biblically illiterate friends and neighbors who join the group would pray this prayer without any real knowledge of the cross, of the Savior, or of God's view of sin. In fact, the meaning of salvation isn't included in the first lesson. And if it had been there, the context of the lesson would suggest that we are merely saved from a purposeless life -- not from bondage to sin."


48 posted on 12/31/2006 10:19:21 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Centurion2000

You said -- "Do all that ... THEN you're a Christian."

Here's the very specific "formula" (if you will)

Romans 10:9-10

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

That's about it, as far as the Bible is concerned (which means, as far as God, the Holy Spirit, and, Jesus Christ are concerned).

Of course, you can add a lot more personal knowledge to that equation (by reading the Bible, studying, praying, going to church -- and so on), but you won't add any more to your salvation, than just those two verses.

Regards,
Star Traveler


49 posted on 12/31/2006 10:20:32 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: CFC__VRWC

That's something I didn't think of. I believe you are right!


50 posted on 12/31/2006 10:24:57 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Gamecock
Warren's comments about Syria are indefensible, but I think he is getting a bum rap about hosting Obama to speak at a symposium about the Africa AIDS issue. That should not be treated as a partisan or ideological issue, but as simply a humanitarian issue IMO. It is not healthy to the public square for everything to be all politics all the time.
51 posted on 12/31/2006 10:30:29 AM PST by Torie
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To: MaestroLC

You said -- "Article makes it clear he is a charlatan!"

Well, he very well knows the Gospel and can preach it, if he wants to. And, I believe he's a Christian (in terms of Romans 10:9-10).

But, he's got another agenda going and it's more along the lines of building a big church and developing all sorts of programs to push. And so, he's not helping a lot of others, who may end up following *him* instead of following Christ. He's only catering to those "itching ears" and saying what is easy for people to hear.

A person who goes to Rick Warren's church may or may not ever find out what it takes to be a true Christian, unless they already know before they get there.

And if that church were to disappear, along with Rick Warren, the question is -- would they be following Christ or would they look for another like Rick Warren to follow. I think that a great number of them would look for another one similar to Rick Warren and never find out what Christ is all about.

He may be a Christian, but he's not helping very many find Christ.

Regards,
Star Traveler


52 posted on 12/31/2006 10:30:33 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: lastchance

" Where is repentance, acknowledgement of need, or confession of personal sin?'

Where does it say that is needed? This is a protestant church, after all. Works not necessary -- futile, actually.


53 posted on 12/31/2006 10:33:43 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Star Traveler
I'm really not familiar with Warren's work since my church has a different calling - we work with addicts, gang-bangers, etc. and lead them to Christ so I'm not really familiar with "mainline" ministries. However, I don't care for pastors that lie.
54 posted on 12/31/2006 10:34:53 AM PST by CAWats (The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty through God for the pulling down of strongholds)
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To: Gamecock

Well, I have not trusted that guy since the ME story came out. He is not teaching God's word but what HE believes. Why do people stay with someone like him? I know our minister teaches the Bible word for word and we are growing each year.


55 posted on 12/31/2006 10:38:28 AM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: Torie
That should not be treated as a partisan or ideological issue, but as simply a humanitarian issue IMO.

In general I have no problem working with the pagan on a humanitarian issue. But the pagan shouldn't be allowed in God's house as if he belongs there.

57 posted on 12/31/2006 10:42:07 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: gcruse

Not exactly.

Works is proof of faith.


58 posted on 12/31/2006 10:42:49 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: CFC__VRWC

The problem is....he might be a speaker at both conventions.


59 posted on 12/31/2006 10:43:33 AM PST by Osage Orange (molon labe)
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To: Gamecock
But the pagan shouldn't be allowed in God's house as if he belongs there.

Interesting comment. I've been taught that EVERY man is welcomed in God's house, be they Christian, pagan, or pink with purple stripes.

60 posted on 12/31/2006 10:44:58 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Goodbye, Tomas. Sleep well. (? 1994-Dec 6, 2006))
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