I'm not making fun, because I love my "Old Time Religion," too. I'm just having fun. ;)
Posted on 12/31/2006 8:41:18 AM PST by Gamecock
Softening up. Watch for the "official Rick Warren bible" to come out next.
You mean, "How can we fool 'em today?" Sounds more like Clinton to me. Or Romney. (Is Giuliani waffling or denying his previous statements? I thought he was an in-your-face liberal.) I'm really not up on my evangelical who's who and haven't read this guy's book (only heard of him and it because of the girl in Atlanta who read to the courthouse murderer,) but he sounds like another "religious" cult leader from what I have heard.
Giuliani is trying to appear as conservative, despite his past positions on abortion, partial birth abortion, gay marriage/civil unions, amnesty for illegals and gun control.
Is he denying previous stands, changing his positions, or just avoiding talking about them?
You said -- "In all seriousness, I think it's too young to have it, because what hormonal pre-teen takes religion seriously? But that's the way it's set up. *SHRUG*"
Well, perhaps even earlier would be good. I say that, having come from being saved (my own choice) at 7 years old. I remember it and it was something I understood and it was something that was a legitimate choice since it's still with me all these years (over 50 years...). It was an old-fashioned tent revival meeting with those sawdust floors and chairs set out in rows and so on.
And you said -- "And, if that's NOT confusing enough...we have two "synods" (chapters, sectors, etc.) in the Lutheran faith. 'Wisconsin Synod' and 'Missouri Synod.' I was raised in the Missouri synod, which is much more strict and by-the-book than the Wisconsin Synod...of which now I am a member, but only because I'm still shopping around for a church that meets my needs. I'm a hard-liner (Missouri) at heart, but a congregation of that sort is hard to find in this part of the country these days. :( "
I remember reading about the Missouri Synod in a book "Battle for the Bible" -- which is on the issue of Biblical Inerrancy. That issue seemed to be a heated issue back then (somewhere in the 70s and 80s). I came to understand that the Lutherans, Missouri Synod, was the more conservative and Biblically-based group, back then.
http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bible-Harold-Lindsell/dp/0310276810
Since then, the Evangelicals came out with a position (a modern day "Council" if you will, signed by many prominent theologians) on the Inerrancy of the Bible and that seems to be a settled issue, within that group of Christians (although not settled across the broad spectrum of the church).
Regards,
Star Traveler
Billy has made some troubling statements over the years as well.
Thanks for the post & add me to the ping list. I am sooo glad to know that at least a few other people see thru this guy. I was an outcast from my church for not swallowing the PDL nonsense. There are a lot of good practical suggestions in the book, but it is treated as holy scripture by most churches. I was a teacher, forced to teach from his literature for 6 weeks and I was in big trouble for pointing out things that were not scriptural. For thoses interested, read page one of chapter two. It's the type of thing that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. Unless you a a child of rape or incest. If you reason what he says; God caused the rape or incest to happen because he was involved in every step of your creation. My God is not the author of sin so Rick Warren is wrong on this point and since the whole book is based off of chapter two it's not worth the paper it's written on.
I'm not making fun, because I love my "Old Time Religion," too. I'm just having fun. ;)
I absolutely expect that to happen.
I received a rather chilling prophetic word from someone who is a prophet and church leader who claims that Hillary will win the presidency and that Bill Clinton is actually the anti-Christ. Now that's enough to make you want to jump off the world! I'm a bit skeptical of this, of course, but who can tell? Now if she wins, hmmmm....
I shudder at the very thought.
We did it in our church and we suffered no division. I didn't see a lot of personal growth either, but we're all still there and growing larger all the time.
Boy, you sure don't like Protestants, do you? Works ARE necessary. Jesus tells us we need faith and works, but works don't earn you a seat in heaven. Only FAITH in Jesus Christ can do that. Get some facts under your belt before you say such things.
I'm so sorry to hear that. I had a massive heart attack in March and have recovered quite well. I pray he will as well. Mxxx
Infants can't make the choice to be a follower of Christ. That's the only reason I have a problem with infant baptism. I was baptized at one month in the Episcopal Church. Years later I was immersed and it made me realize that satan could no longer hold my past against me. It was immersed in that water! We dedicate infants in our church but don't baptize them. We're to believe and be baptized. Not the other way around. It is a commandment, not a rite of salvation as many have been taught.
Really? I am sorry to hear that.
He truly was courageous and steadfast in these crazy days. I will pray for him!
I went through confirmation in the Episcopal church but left soon after to join the local Methodist church because most of my close friends went there. I was married and had my family when I was a Methodist but later got saved in a Baptist church. Then I was introduced to the Holy Spirit filled churches. So I consider myself an episcomethabapticostal. It's been quite a trip but God taught me something through each denomination.
Actually infant baptism has a much more interesting past.
The early churched princes believed that dying without having been baptised denied one entrance to heaven. Rather than chance they might fall out of the saddle and hit their heads fatally on a rock prematurely, they opted for infant baptism.
This led to another problem, though. Sins, they believed, committed after one was baptised were mortal, sending them to hell.
Damned, literally, if you do and if you don't, they conjured up Limbo. Now, the post-baptismal sins could be worked off, giving infant baptism the go-ahead while still living the good life. Jesus could not be reached for comment.
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