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How America's Mayor can beat America's maverick [McCain v. Giuliani]
New York Daily News ^ | December 29, 2006 | FRANK LUNTZ

Posted on 12/29/2006 11:19:41 AM PST by ecurbh

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1 posted on 12/29/2006 11:19:42 AM PST by ecurbh
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rudy is eventually going to have to address the "contentious" positions he has. he should start with abortion - his position should be that he supports constitutionalist judges, and if Roe is eventually deemed unconstitutional - then so be it, abortion will not be made illegal, but will return to the States. and that's OK.


2 posted on 12/29/2006 11:22:25 AM PST by oceanview
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After four years of a Repulican President thumbing his nose at fiscal conservatives, I can't see nominating a man who thumbs his nose at social conservatives.


3 posted on 12/29/2006 11:22:25 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: ecurbh

Here's hoping we can find a Republican that can beat both of them.


4 posted on 12/29/2006 11:24:25 AM PST by BW2221
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To: ecurbh

Rudolph Giuliani is Mario Cuomo's protege. I think he would be an excellent nominee in 2008 -- for the Democratic Party.


5 posted on 12/29/2006 11:24:52 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Jeff Chandler

you cannot bow down and appease a fickle group, when that group alone cannot elect a president. you can outline some positions to get as many of them as you can onboard, point out what they will get from the Dems (nothing), and leave yourself able to get the independent voters who decide the election.


6 posted on 12/29/2006 11:25:16 AM PST by oceanview
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>>>>After four years of a Repulican President thumbing his nose at fiscal conservatives, I can't see nominating a man who thumbs his nose at social conservatives.

Well said.

7 posted on 12/29/2006 11:26:39 AM PST by Reagan Man (....... and a Happy New Year)
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by acknowledging McCain's willingness to buck the political system

Wrong characterization. What McCain has been willing to buck is the President, and the Constitution.

8 posted on 12/29/2006 11:26:57 AM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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9 posted on 12/29/2006 11:27:06 AM PST by jmc813 (Go Jets!)
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To: oceanview
rudy is eventually going to have to address the "contentious" positions he has.

As a New Yorker, I think Ann Coulter's advice was very sound. She said Rudy should just say that he was mayor of the Soviet Union. OF COURSE he had to be liberal on social issues. But he should re-state his positions now.

10 posted on 12/29/2006 11:27:20 AM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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ping


11 posted on 12/29/2006 11:28:10 AM PST by Uncledave
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To: Jeff Chandler

alot of those social conservative seem to like Obama - is there a single position that Obama would advance (with more then words), that social conservatives want?


12 posted on 12/29/2006 11:28:34 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Jeff Chandler

Who's your alternative. There is none.


13 posted on 12/29/2006 11:28:55 AM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: oceanview
"you cannot bow down and appease a fickle group, when that group alone cannot elect a president."

You cannot embrace the murder of innocent unborn children, gun control, amnesty to illegals, homosexual marriages, etc. and expect the conservatives to vote for you, either. Rudy loses in this one.

14 posted on 12/29/2006 11:28:57 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: RedRover

he's not going to flip and become pro-life, it would be disingenuous anyway. but you can be for judges who would toss Roe, and return abortion to the states. and that's the best case outcome that could be acheived, even if Brownback were elected president.


15 posted on 12/29/2006 11:30:30 AM PST by oceanview
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To: ecurbh

Just what we need, two more moderates.


16 posted on 12/29/2006 11:31:48 AM PST by holdonnow (we)
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To: Liz

Here they come!!!


17 posted on 12/29/2006 11:32:26 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: oceanview
"alot of those social conservative seem to like Obama - is there a single position that Obama would advance (with more then words), that social conservatives want?"

Wrong again. No one on this conservative website has endorsed any such thing. Barack Saddam Hussein Obama is ultra liberal, and does not appeal one iota to social conservatives. If you are referring to Rick Warren's endorsement of him, Warren is far from a social conservative. Go back and research your facts.

18 posted on 12/29/2006 11:32:29 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: TommyDale

as a practical issue, the pro-life movement has as its #1 goal - overturning Roe. that gets accomplished with constitutionalist judges.

empower the people to decide the issue at the State level, through their elected representatives. there is never going to be constitutional amendments banning all abortions and banning the States from deciding gay civil unions. even if a Brownback/Gary Bauer ticket were elected president, that wouldn't happen.


19 posted on 12/29/2006 11:35:13 AM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

That's fundamentally what I'm hoping Rudy will say (and mean). But of course, he also needs to explain why he made the Island of Evil a sanctuary city for illegals, his position on the Second Ammendment, Gay Rights, etc.


20 posted on 12/29/2006 11:36:51 AM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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