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Churches May Be Forced To Close If Bird Flu Strikes
SPCN.org ^ | 12-28-2006

Posted on 12/28/2006 12:40:31 PM PST by blam

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To: little jeremiah; Smokin' Joe; blam

When Noah built the ark, he probably heard similar remarks. Luckily for us, he continued, and was able to SIP (shelter-in-place) when the rains began.


41 posted on 12/28/2006 2:30:04 PM PST by LucyT
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To: King Prout

In many cases yes, other times they had church out doors while wearing surgical masks.


42 posted on 12/28/2006 2:40:58 PM PST by Swiss
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To: Swiss

thank you for those data.


43 posted on 12/28/2006 2:58:35 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: blam

I'm not worried yet. I don't kiss migratory birds.


44 posted on 12/28/2006 3:01:04 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Goodbye, Tomas. Sleep well. (? 1994-Dec 6, 2006))
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To: blam

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/flu-like-mystery-illness-kills-22-in/20061227215209990004?cid=2194


Flu-Like Mystery Illness Kills 22 in Indonesia

JAKARTA, Indonesia (Dec. 28) - Indonesian health officials are investigating the deaths of 22 people from an unidentified illness characterized by high fever over a two-month period in the capital Jakarta.


Indonesian health officials, already studying bird flu cases, say the 22 victims of the illness may have been poisoned, but for now the cause of death is being listed as from a ''high fever of unknown origin."

Samples from the patients - all of whom died days after being admitted to St. Carolus hospital - have been sent to the U.S. Naval Medical Research Unit 2 in Jakarta, but the cause of death remained a mystery, said Nyoman Kandun, a senior health ministry official.

"We have not been able to conclude if this is or is not a new emerging disease," Kandun told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "But after experiencing both bird flu and SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) we do not want to take any chances."

Samples were also sent to the U.S.-based Centers for Disease Control, another health official said on condition he not be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media. Tests there were also inconclusive.

Kandun said the patients may have been poisoned, but for the time being the cause of death was listed as from a "high fever of unknown origin."

Most of the victims were over 40 and from middle-class residential areas near St. Carolus in central Jakarta. The hospital started reporting the deaths in October and the last death was reported on Nov. 27, he said.

Surveillance teams have visited the homes of the patients but found no additional cases and investigators also concluded that they did not get their infections from fellow patients at the hospital, Kandun said.

There are two other hospitals in the neighborhood, but they have not reported similar mysterious deaths, he said.


12/28/06 12:27 EST


45 posted on 12/28/2006 6:22:54 PM PST by Lady GOP
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To: Lady GOP

An unknown right now, huh?


46 posted on 12/28/2006 6:41:23 PM PST by blam
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To: ExtremeUnction; Terriergal; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; TommyDale

**Hughes believes that the Christian community should be at the forefront of preparedness for the Bird Flu....**

Rick Warren has announced a Bird Flu summit at Saddleback.


47 posted on 12/29/2006 12:20:26 AM PST by Gamecock (ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: ninergold3
We bought an abandoned warehouse type building and in 3 months turned it into a church. However, there was a lean-to on one side of the building that the pigeons had taken over. There were a good two INCHES on pigeon poop on the floor.

It took an entire day, a fire hose, and 6 people in Tyvek suits and masks to clean it out. After that there were very few repeat appearances but the ones who dared were offered up as a sacrifice!

Gee, and here I am, trying to find some pigeons, so that I can put a coop in my barn!

Squab, for those who haven't tasted it, is delicious, much better than any chicken you've ever tasted. Back in the '50s, my (now late) grandfather (born in the 1880s) had a coop on the roof of the apartment building where he lived, in the Bronx of all places. Every now and then, we'd dine on squab when visiting the grandparents.

Once, on a lark (pun intended!) I managed to grab a couple of baby pigeons (yes, there really are such things) and put them in a cage in my backyard, where I fattened them up, and butchered them when a friend came out to visit from Minneapolis. He was a bit squeamish at first (city kid, what do you expect?) -- until he took his first taste. After that, he dug in and enjoyed it.

48 posted on 12/29/2006 2:46:00 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Gamecock
Interesting, but what does that have to do with Christians?

(Ducking (har har) for the inevitable flames... not that I care, mind you.)

49 posted on 12/29/2006 2:47:18 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ExtremeUnction; blam
Hughes believes that the Christian community should be at the forefront of preparedness for the Bird Flu..

This is stupid.

Correct.

Our role, as Christians, is to shut up and die.

50 posted on 12/29/2006 2:49:01 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: grjr21; blam
Wake me when it passes the number of people killed by lightning

Naptime begins when lightning becomes an infectious disease.

51 posted on 12/29/2006 2:50:14 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: airborne; blam
How tragic would an outbreak be in Mecca?

With millions of people carrying the germs back with them as they return to their homes in every nation in the world after they complete their pilgrimage?

Gee, I dunno. Why don't you do the math?

52 posted on 12/29/2006 2:52:50 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Last Laugh; A.Hun
People might try to use it for ulterior motives, but the threat of a pandemic is real....we are way past due for one.

I agree with you A.Hun, but I can't believe this bird flu is it. We've heard sob stories and fright stories about it for several years, yet, compared to the amount of fear mongering, not many have died.

Sounds like a way for the affected countries to receive some sort of, I don't know FUNDING to "help" stamp this out before it..GASP! Arrives here in the USA

Nope. Someone has been promised money for something, some politico has found a way to get them the money thru this false threat. It just smells.

If the Black Plague returned, politicians, statist regimes, and powermongers of every stripe would be angling for ways to cash in on it, use it to consolidate their power, and so forth. But none of that would be evidence that the disease itself was anything to scoff.

When things get crazy corrupt, it's easy to mix cause and effect, and it's easier to cynically dismiss all threats. This is not wise.

53 posted on 12/29/2006 2:58:12 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: little jeremiah; Smokin' Joe; blam
But unfortunately pandemic flus have occurred before and killed millions, and will again. Just because one hasn't happened in our lifetime is no reason to assume one will not happen. If all the people who laugh about it read for a couple dozen hours, they might change their tunes.

Some diseases are beyond human comprehension. Pneumonic Plague, and in some cases, even the 1918 flu, were so unthinkably horrific, that people would contract the disease in the morning, and be dead by sunset. Literally. From first symptom, to death, in less than one day.

We have lived a charmed existence in our generation. Since the end of WWII, we in the west have been living in a statistical anomoly -- relative peace, and health -- but it won't last forever.

When subected to even cursory analysis, it becomes obvious that the main reason for the confidence exuded by so many is based on the notion that "it can't happen here."

This is sheer folly -- and as such, it is by definition impossible to reason with those whose faith is based on that proposition.

54 posted on 12/29/2006 3:05:16 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: blam
We're all going to die. Every last stinking one of us. When our number comes up, that's it, game over.

Anyone with a healthy outlook on life and death should know that fearing the inevitable is a sad way to pass the time. Not to mention making everyone around you miserable too.

Whether it be bird flu, ebola, short telomeres or a bullet, it's coming for every last one of us.

Live while you can, be happy, vital and alive! Don't be forced into the half death that comes from fear and worry.

There are a lot of people making a good living from your fear. It's time to put them out of a job, permanently.
55 posted on 12/29/2006 3:06:31 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: blam

I fell for the Y2K thing, and I learned not to panic at every scare story out there.
This is just another bogus attempt to frighten people.

Booga! Booga! No more church! Lets scare Grandma.

This article is pathetic.


56 posted on 12/29/2006 3:10:05 AM PST by Cyclops08
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To: Old Professer; little jeremiah
My wife is a schoolteacher. She is also a courier. She brings me every disease that makes the rounds. Parents, for the most part mind-numbed gratification-seeking machines, incapable of wrapping their mind around anything more complex than television and pop "culture", use the schools as "free daycare centers." When Johnnie is sick like a dog, they tell him to shut up and go to school. (Otherwise they would have to act like parents and actually take care of him. And that would cramp their "lifestyles".)

So, kids who are miserably sick, belonging home in bed, are sent to school, where they proceed to fill the air (a classroom is NOT a Class 100 Clean Room!) with whatever disease they have, which then proceeds to spread like wildfire.

Our culture is configured as a perfect mechanism for exponential propagation of communicable diseases. Works like a charm. Don't take my word for it, ask me! I just spent two weeks sick like a dog. The fifty dollar a pill (or something in that range) antibiotic didn't work, but, the Sulfa did (doctor switched me after the first half of a double-regimen of the "expensive spread" didn't make a dent in it). Go figure.

Viral, bacterial, it doesn't matter. It will eventually beat you down until you are a walking petri dish. (Unless treated, "viral infections" will often batter me to the point that I end up with a life-threatening case of bacterial bronchitis, which is why I take antibiotics "even though they don't work for a virus.")

We have all been living on borrowed time for quite a while. It can't go on forever.

57 posted on 12/29/2006 3:17:54 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: siunevada; blam
Bird Flu has the potential to kill 70 million people

Let's see. Population is 6 billion? 70m is 1.16%.

So, if you live in a not-very-large city of 250,000, a loss of a mere 2,900 won't really matter very much? (Even of some of those 2.900 are members of your family, or your friends, co-workers, customers, suppliers, doctors, mechanics, etc?)

If that's how it works, why were people so bent out of shape when roughly that number died in a metropolitan area of roughly ten million?

58 posted on 12/29/2006 3:22:46 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Cyclops08; blam
I fell for the Y2K thing, and I learned not to panic at every scare story out there. This is just another bogus attempt to frighten people.

Booga! Booga! No more church! Lets scare Grandma.

This article is pathetic.

Y2K wasn't as bad as the government feared it might be (nor was it as "good" as the media would have us belive it was), so, therefore, NOTHING bad can happen to us, ever!

"It Can't Happen HERE!"

(Filed under "famous last words"...)

59 posted on 12/29/2006 3:32:28 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: blam

I thought Bird Flu was no longer the pandemic de jour? .Don't we have a new disease to worry about?

I have a hard time keeping up with my worrisome diseases.


60 posted on 12/29/2006 3:39:59 AM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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