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Death toll of female troops 'troubling'
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | December 26, 2006 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 12/26/2006 9:09:21 AM PST by kingattax

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To: William Terrell

Whatever.
susie


121 posted on 12/26/2006 9:31:38 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Tax-chick
But the man still can't have a baby

You finger the exact reason a woman's death is more important than a man's. When a man dies, just that man dies. When a woman dies, all her babies die with her.

122 posted on 12/26/2006 9:36:29 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: brytlea
Whatever, indeed.

123 posted on 12/26/2006 9:40:20 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: kingattax; CurtisLeMay; theothercheek; kiriath_jearim; Gadfly-At-Large; pryncessraych; ...

What is the Catholic view on this?


124 posted on 12/26/2006 9:44:21 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: brytlea

"Of course, I also worry that this will be used to further turn Americans against armed conflict in general."

ding ding ding. We have a winner. Imagine a mob of Islamo nuts getting their paws on a female soldier or two followed by videotaped sexual assaults and culminating with their execution. The public's reaction would be very strong to say the least. Get those women out of there.


125 posted on 12/26/2006 9:58:13 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: kingattax

126 posted on 12/26/2006 10:36:27 PM PST by ChiefKujo
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To: Ben Mugged
No, but then I'm a reasonable person. I wouldn't want a 5' 6" male 135 pounds trying to carry my 6' 1" 265 pounds either.

Good point. The upper-body strength tends to revolve around the twin unsupported assumptions that all men in the Armed Forces are He-Men and all women are pale slips of daintiness who meet only the minimum standards set by their services. And also that any time a soldier is wounded and non-ambulatory, the only other soldier available to evacuate them will be that waif. It's an appeal to probability, but I think it has more to do with gender roles than actual probability.

The "hand-to-hand combat" argument has me scratching my head, too. I'm sure it happens from time-to-time, but aren't most soldiers issued firearms?

There are other arguments against women in the military and naval services, and some of them are a bit more pragmatic. But I don't think the strength one, as usually argued here, is a very good one.

127 posted on 12/26/2006 11:46:49 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: William Terrell
You finger the exact reason a woman's death is more important than a man's. When a man dies, just that man dies. When a woman dies, all her babies die with her.

Only if they are in her uterus at the time of death. Unfertilized gametes don't count. (If they do, then my butchery easily exceeds the Holocaust.)

128 posted on 12/26/2006 11:48:04 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: brytlea

Sorry if I upset you Susie. I really wasn't arguing with you but rather I was using your posts as a straw man (woman).

You're conflicted and so is society. On this issue, I'm not. Either integrate women in every facet of the military (including draft registration) or get them the hell out of the military. I'll accept it either way, but where we are now is only hurting our capability to defeat our enemies.


129 posted on 12/27/2006 1:09:48 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: donna

Nothing like a sweeping generalization!

Men and women join the military for a variety of reasons-patriotism, to gain skills, to use skills, to do something really cool like fly jets or spacecraft, because they don't know what to do after high school, because they don't know what to do after college, because bad guys attacked their country and they're hopping mad, etc., etc., etc. There are as many reasons for being in the military and staying in the military as there are people in the military.

To say that men want to win while women just want to be there is ridiculous.

Women don't volunteer to leave their homes and families, go live in uncomfortable conditions, work ungodly hours at extremely stressful jobs with little or no margin for error for substandard wages and have the added bonus of risking their lives doing it just to be able to say, "I was there."


130 posted on 12/27/2006 5:47:49 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: donna

The rejection of motherhood, puts women in the same posture as a man...


131 posted on 12/27/2006 6:04:05 AM PST by thinking
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To: mariabush

You're welcome!


132 posted on 12/27/2006 6:49:35 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
Call me a chauvinist if you like, but I see no reason why my wife or daughters should (conceivably) be called away to fight for me. The very idea is is offesnive. I am supposed to fight for them.

My opposition to women in combat has always been very simple: When our daughters and wives to off to war with us, what's left to fight for at home?

In the interest of full disclosure, I've been out of the military for almost ten years now. Mrs. Doohickey is an Aeromedical tech in the USAF Reserve. She's really good at what she does, though she does struggle with lifting 70 lbs. over her head (a requirement for flight qualification). :)

133 posted on 12/27/2006 7:01:45 AM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Doohickey

That is an excellent point - what is left ot fight for when we ask our women to fight?


134 posted on 12/27/2006 7:05:22 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: hildy123

Okay, now we're talkin'.


135 posted on 12/27/2006 7:06:02 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: kingattax

Nothing more than political correctness run amok. The chickens have come home to roost thanks to the nags,lib. MSM,and spineles gutless political hacks.


136 posted on 12/27/2006 7:13:12 AM PST by KenmcG414
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To: Caesar Soze
All a womans eggs are already formed. She doesn't form any more.

A good question to point out the importance is this. Which group has a better chance of survival, 100 men and one woman or 100 women and one man?

137 posted on 12/27/2006 7:13:25 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: kingattax
As long as people think that men and women are exactly the same and there's no such thing as a men's role vs. a women's role, this will continue to happen and get worse.

And of course this leads to the next question--if we have to go back to a draft system in the future, will women be subject to it the same as men?
138 posted on 12/27/2006 7:16:03 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Ben Mugged

Watch "Full Metal Jacket". Is that atmosphere conducive to women?
Of course now the recruits have "stress cards" and the DI's have to pledge not to cuss in front of them.
The idea of women in combat is just another manifestation of the degeneration of our Society and our Country.


139 posted on 12/27/2006 7:21:04 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: kingattax

Troubling??? What??? These PC ass holes are the ones who wanted women in combat in the first place. Them and the stupid women's movement. Shut the F up and take it.


140 posted on 12/27/2006 7:22:13 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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