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1 posted on 12/24/2006 10:06:57 AM PST by maquiladora
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Air strikes don't work, and air power divorced from ground and sea power is a dangerous myth.

If we want to compel Iran, the country will have to be invaded, conquered, and occupied for fifty years.

I happen to think that's a good idea, and that we should.

But I'm quite sure Congress does not.

2 posted on 12/24/2006 10:09:52 AM PST by Jim Noble (To secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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Dont forget to attack Ahmadinejhad's house and that of Mullah Khameini. Without these two we wouldnt be attacking anyone.


3 posted on 12/24/2006 10:10:54 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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As I see it, this is the most significant point ..."or the United States could opt for a far more comprehensive set of strikes against a comprehensive range of WMD related targets, as well as conventional and unconventional forces that might be used to counterattack against US forces in Iraq." This should not be a slap that slows the WMD program. It should be a punishing blow to a terror-supporting state that aids in the killing of US servicemen in Iraq. It should be a blow that is a sustained air campaign that destroys Iran's military infrastructure and assures it cannot retaliate in way that will harm the regions security. It should be the death knell to Iran's mad mullahs aspirations of Iranian hegemony in the region.
4 posted on 12/24/2006 10:15:26 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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Bush is weak.
He will not get Nancy's permission.


6 posted on 12/24/2006 10:17:30 AM PST by greasepaint
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"Insufficient information regarding available aircraft makes it impossible to predict how many Joint Direct Attack Munition capable aircraft were available for strikes and how many potential aim points this would provide to mission planners."

This info hasn't been on the front of the nyt yet? I'm shocked!

8 posted on 12/24/2006 10:30:09 AM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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We need to do something there, the sooner the better, the bigger the better. Call me crazy but I'm for targeted nukes at their nulear sites, major cities and any place their leader may be. We'll sort out the damage later.

He's threatened to wipe away Israel and the U.S. Do we choose to believe him or take our chances? I would like to leave chance out of it since I'm sure he would share technology with any and all of our enemies.

The destruction of Iran would send the wake up call that the radicals need, wait until President Hillary in 2008 and the progress they would make in her administration would really put us behind the eight ball.

We can't risk doing nothing and hoping a Republican wins in 2008. If the democrats win you know they'll do nothing, we're at a critical junction and it may be up to Bush and Bush only to cut the threat off at the knees before it grows too great that we're unable to defend ourselves.


11 posted on 12/24/2006 10:46:09 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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Four Words.

eye
see
be
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13 posted on 12/24/2006 10:47:54 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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Speculation is great, but let's see some action before Iran gets and uses nukes on Israel.


14 posted on 12/24/2006 10:50:32 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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The US now has the capability to hit pin point targets with special non nuclear versions of the Trident missle. Far better than risking US pilots and best of all no warning...just a zot from the heavens.

However, any military action against Iran would result in Bush's immediate impeachment by Queen Nancy and her flying monkey army. We will unfortunately have to live with a nuclear armed Iran with a madman's finger on the trigger and I'm sorry to say a possible nuclear Pearl Harbor before the US will do anything.

17 posted on 12/24/2006 11:11:09 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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Naaaaah, lets just wait another 10 years ir so, until they have better defences or have the bomb!


19 posted on 12/24/2006 11:15:16 AM PST by observer5 (It's not a War on Terror - it's a WAR ON STUPIDITY!)
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Destroy Iran's political and military power structure.
32 posted on 12/24/2006 12:08:26 PM PST by SIDENET (Everybody was kung-fu fighting)
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We don't have the guts to do anything about Iran *or* North Korea.If Iran is to be denied nukes it will be because their government changed course or because Israel took them out.


33 posted on 12/24/2006 12:18:29 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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Not removing the Iranian dictatorship now will allow both Iran & Syria to continue exporting their trained killers to Iraq & Afghanistan with orders to murder our troops.

An offensive Iranian nuclear weapons arsenal will quickly become fact - unless prevented.

Haman Jr.

34 posted on 12/24/2006 12:29:42 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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I support attacks on Iran the one thing concerning me is attacks on a functioning Nuclear Reactor.I would hate to see Nuclear fallout spreading all over Eastern Iran,Afghanistan and China from a reactor that we The U.S. were forced to knock out of commission.I just hope our intelligence people have figured a way to do it without killing thousands of innocent People.

On the other hand if we don't take the Reactors out those MAD Mullahs will give a bomb to AQ or some other terrorist organization and they will use it.At our expense.
39 posted on 12/24/2006 12:54:16 PM PST by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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The one theory I've been waiting to hear about or read about is how FDR and Ike would have prosecuted WW-II while they were having to buy oil from Adolf Hitler. The US should be exporting oil and not importing it and I'm starting to get the impression that the only possible way to get from here to there is the same way you stop smoking, i.e. just stop. The idea would be to ban all oil imports. That would mess us up as badly as we were messed up during WW-II for about a year and a half and, after that, we'd be better off than we are now, and Ahmadinajad and every other clown in the world like him would be living in tents and riding on camels, and terrorism would be the furthese thing from their minds since they'd not have the financial wherewithal for it.


41 posted on 12/24/2006 1:16:27 PM PST by rickdylan
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The Iranians are correct in their belief that air strikes alone will just slow them down. That they will be able to regenerate their nuclear program.

That being said, what must be done is to partition Iran so that it cannot reconstitute what has been destroyed.

While this is not easy, it is far easier than invading Persia. This is because the outlying regions of Iran are filled with several kinds of non-integrated, powerless, and despised minorities, who have far more in common with adjacent nations then they do with Persians.

The divisions are obvious, and it would be easy for these adjacent nations to absorb their kin, and defend them with their armies, assuming the Iranian military and Revolutionary Guard had been reduced.

Iranian Kurdistan would join with Iraqi Kurdistan to make a greater Kurdistan. Perhaps this would be too much for them to remain a part of Iraq and a de jure Kurdistan would be created as a new nation.

For its part, Arabic Iraq could take Iranian Khuzestan, which likewise has a Shiite/Sunni split, and much of Iran's oil reserves. This would soothe Iraq's Arabs on their loss of Kurdistan.

Iranian Baluchistan would join with Pakistani Baluchistan, its twin, under the authority of Pakistan. It has far too much mineral wealth, and a new deep-water port, for Pakistan to be willing to part with it.

Finally, the Iranian Azeri lands would become part of Azerbaijan. This is the trickiest part, as Azerbaijan is militarily weak, so would require a contingent of Americans there for a while.

So there is the strategy: use air power to destroy their nuclear program; then partition Iran, leaving Persia alone, but taking away their mineral, oil and money resources.

And their military and Revolutionary Guard would be forfeit.


42 posted on 12/24/2006 1:18:25 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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I don't know if we will actually attack, but moving a second carrier into the region makes it much more likely, especially when additional carriers are scheduled to deploy to replace the first two carriers. The change-over period is when an attack would take place. Given that vaq-137 and vaq-139 are the EW squadrons with the new ICAP-III EA-6b aircraft, and since these are stationed on the Enterprise and Ronald Reagan, which were in the gulf area this past year, any movement of these two carriers to replace the Stennis and the Eisenhower would be the ideal time to strike.

Alternatively, it would be a good time for _Israel_ to strike. That way plenty of US assets would be in place when the inevitable Iranian counter-strike against US bases in the Mideast took place. The Iranians have stated many times that they would attack the US forces if the Israelis attacked their nuke plants. Thus by international law the US would be in an ideal position to crush the Iranian military.


47 posted on 12/24/2006 1:43:53 PM PST by burster
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The plan has already been developed for this contingency. I'm sure it's been tested and just waits for Bush's implementation order. I recommend a patient stand.

The first strike must be designed to take out the NY Times. Once this propoganda tool is silenced our men and women in the military will be safer.

Finally, ignore the arm chair generals who don't have a clue on strategy and tactics. The Viet Nam war was a mega circle jertk since a jerk tried to manage the field from afar. As a Viet Era Air Force Officer I/we argued at Sqaudron Officer's School for an Air Force oriented attack venue. We bombed the jungle into a lunar waste land and defoliated triple canopy jungle but in two weeks of Christmas bombing when we sent the B52s to Hanoi we accomplised in 14 days what we didn't do in 8 plus years and 50,000 plus dead.

49 posted on 12/24/2006 2:02:43 PM PST by Young Werther
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B-61 Mod-11 bombs would do the trick.
50 posted on 12/24/2006 2:03:31 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Bush Derangement Syndrome Has Reached Pandemic Levels on Free Republic.)
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In all, there are perhaps two dozen suspected nuclear facilities in Iran.

Perhaps two dozen? In other words he doesn't really know. There could be three dozen or four dozen. The fact is that air strikes can't be 100 percent effective, and if we launch them we have no idea what real effect they have had. Air strikes alone won't do it. Air strikes alone have never done it. It'll take boots on the ground and unfortunately all ours are already committed.

53 posted on 12/24/2006 3:23:02 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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