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David Irving: Jews should ask themselves why they are hated
Haaretz ^ | December 23, 2006 | Amiram Barkat

Posted on 12/23/2006 1:58:30 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

Holocaust denier David Irving on Friday said Jews should ask themselves why they have been hated throughout history.

"They [Jews] should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so hated for 3000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in country after country?', said Irving, speaking at a press conference he convened in England on Friday, a day after he was released from an Austrian prison.

Irving, who was sentenced to three years in prison for denying the Holocaust, was released last week after his appeal was granted.

Asked if he sees himself as anti-Semitic, Irving said, "No, I like to think I am not."

But immediately following his answer, Irving expressed his support for Mel Gibson's comments that "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."

Irving also took pride in the success of his books and claimed that he the fortune he made from sales of his biography on World War II German General Erwin Rommel enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with cash to buy a "Nigger brown Rolls-Royce."

Irving's comments aroused great anger within Britain's Jewish community.

Lord Janner, president of the Holocaust Educational Trust, said Irving's release was "unwarranted" and that Irving's "latest comments were totally to be expected and should be totally ignored."

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: antijew; antisemitism; davidirving; hatespeech; holocaust; irving; nazi; racist; stuckonstupid
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To: Fishtalk

I am a Gentile lady......................

You NAILED it!

And with style!!


141 posted on 12/23/2006 5:23:01 PM PST by Grateful One
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To: RobbyS
Where are your sources for this information?

Skeptical.

142 posted on 12/23/2006 5:24:16 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Amiram Barkat, another jihadanazi.


143 posted on 12/23/2006 5:24:47 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: rbg81

Actually, I've never heard a Jewish person say this. In fact, the only people I've ever heard use this term were born again Christians...


144 posted on 12/23/2006 5:27:09 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: West Coast Conservative

David Irving should ask himself why we hate him.


145 posted on 12/23/2006 5:27:50 PM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: mcashman
To leagalize drugs will only make tobacco companies richer as they take over the industry. Crime will not diminish, it will intensify in other areas as drug dealers change jobs.

That theory's been kicked around. In addition to markets for trade goods, Jews also helped create capital markets, because Islam and Christianity have at various points in history, forbidden or at least looked askance at lending money for interest.

This was fed by the spread of the Jewish diaspora, particularly in parts of Europe and the Muslim world that sat astride trade routes; and further driven by the fact that European craftsmen's guilds often barred Jews from joining.

Any time you have a people apart, who are seen as having a secretive and poorly-understood role in "the system," you have a ready-made scapegoat shen the system breaks down.

These things also form their own inertia; various despots turned blame to the Jews to take the heat off themselves (notably the czars), and once that body of literatire gets started, anyone looking for a scapegoat has a head-start. It's not a coincidence that the Protocols keep coming up in new translations or that modern-day Muslim anti-semitism borrows heavily from the Julius Streicher playbook.

David Irving used to be -- with emphasis on the past tense -- a fairly respectable historian. But I think at over his years of researching and writing about the Third Reich, something like the Stockholm syndrome took hold, and he bekame a kool-aid drinker rather than an objective researcher.

146 posted on 12/23/2006 5:28:57 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: AmishDude
Actually, catholic also could be defined as universal.

In any case, that is why Roman Catholic is personally used.

147 posted on 12/23/2006 5:29:21 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: AmishDude

Ask some of the German freepers about your last sentence. There are definitely still Saxons. Furthermore, many English (derived from Angles, and commonly termed Anglo-Saxons) distinguish themselves from their fellow Britons (Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Manx) by their Angle, Jute, and Saxon heritage.


148 posted on 12/23/2006 5:33:21 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: AmishDude
Which category do MD's and lawyers fit into? :)
149 posted on 12/23/2006 5:33:49 PM PST by Torie
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Johnson's "History of the Jews," so far as population. Jews were like today's Muslims: they despised homsexuality and had large, extended families. As for the war, the Emperor Trajan had extended the empire to include Mesopotamia when the Jews in his rear revolted. Took a while for the Romans to regroup. But the Jewish Wars in Palestine saw were some of the worst fighting that the Romans encountered in the history of their empire. After the third, Barkhoba rebellion, the Romans finally crushed Jewsish political ambitions. Thereafter the Jews were immersed in religion and business.


150 posted on 12/23/2006 5:34:44 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHI)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Jews should ask themselves why they have been hated throughout history

That would seem a cogent question. I don't know if Jews need be the only one to offer an answer but it does beg an answer.

I know I have found it curious enough to wonder why.
Why did Portugal and Spain turn the Jews out?
Why did England drive out the Jews in 1290?
Why did France push away the Jews in 1306 and again in 1394?
Why did Belgium exile the Jews in 1370 and Czechoslovakia exiles them in 1380?
Why did Holland drive out the Jews in 1444?
Why did Italy turn the Jews out in 1540?
Why did Germany push the Jews out in 1551?
Why did Russia exile the Jews in 1510?

If cogent answers are not forth coming perhaps at least opinions can be shared and discussed. There had to be a reason. We could even discussion why no answers are offered.

Discovering the reason does not mean you have to adopt the reason. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. – Aristotle

151 posted on 12/23/2006 5:37:27 PM PST by MosesKnows
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To: AmishDude

Doh!

Even when I am paying attention to it (which is all the time) I still manage to mess it up. You're right it's a little "c" in the creed. I manage to screw up "church" and "Church" too.

Per the "united", the Holy Father's title is "The Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church". I'm guessing that'll raise a few hairs, too.


152 posted on 12/23/2006 5:38:04 PM PST by incredulous joe ("My career was sputtering until I did a 360 and got headed in the right direction." — Tracy McGrady)
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To: West Coast Conservative

David Irving is intellectually incapable of accepting the Truth, which is:

The Jews are God's chosen people, they are His Nation, and like it or not, Jesus Christ IS a Jew, the KING of the Jews, in addition to King of kings and Lord of lords, and when He returns to establish His Kingdom on this Earth, He will rule from Jerusalem, and there won't be any protests, objections or even a raised eyebrow from ANYone, because His Will shall be done.

And if that isn't enough for David Irving and the rest of the world's Jew-haters and Christ-haters, "every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus Christ is LORD!"

I can hardly wait to watch all those Muslims comply.


153 posted on 12/23/2006 5:38:09 PM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"They [Jews] should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so hated for 3000 years . . . "

But I thought the Jews just popped out of nowhere two thousand years ago, and those other people you read about in the "old testament" were actually aryan chr*stian Israelites, the ancestors of today's anti-Semites? [/sarcasm]

But something tells me Irving (mach shemo!) is more of an atheist skull-measurer than Klucker.

154 posted on 12/23/2006 5:38:57 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . velo' `amad 'ish 'itto behitvadda` Yosef 'el-'echayv.)
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To: RobbyS
Appreciated.

It would seem strange though that a territory as small as Judea, which is not super-fertile to boot (though moreso than some of the surround region) would have such a large popultion.

155 posted on 12/23/2006 5:40:54 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: Torie

"That give me a bit of a start. "

I'm think ing St. Thomas More probably pulled a quarter turn in the grave, as well.


156 posted on 12/23/2006 5:41:25 PM PST by incredulous joe (“Disguise our bondage as we will, 'Tis woman, woman, rules us still” -- St. Thomas More)
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To: Torie

“Lawyers-a profession it is to disguise matters.” -- St. Thomas More


157 posted on 12/23/2006 5:43:54 PM PST by incredulous joe (“Disguise our bondage as we will, 'Tis woman, woman, rules us still” -- St. Thomas More)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
So, that is how European oriented racists explain the Old Testament......

It seemed contradictory that they would consider themselves Christian and yet consider ethnic Jews subhuman.

158 posted on 12/23/2006 5:44:19 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: incredulous joe

Well lawyers wrote in law French in Britain until the 18th century. Thus nobody knew what they were doing, and they fashioned the common law right under the noses of parliament, usurping some of its power. By the time parliament figured it out, it was too late. And there you have it.


159 posted on 12/23/2006 5:47:31 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

If the fashionable pumps fit... :D


160 posted on 12/23/2006 5:50:01 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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