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"I wished to attract attention to the tragedy"
Noviy Vestnik ('New Herald'), Karaganda, Kazakhstan ^ | December 20th, 2006 | Marina Funtikova

Posted on 12/20/2006 10:28:33 PM PST by struwwelpeter

A book on 'Nord-Ost' has been published. One of the authors is Karagandan Svetlana Gubareva


Every page of this book is a valuable document. In it are the affidavits of the former hostages who lived through that nightmare at the theatrical center on Dubrovka. There are also the autopsies and legal resolutions about the criminal case, papers that until recently were hightly classified.
The authors of this book believe that everyone has a right to know the truth about 'Nord-Ost'. That is, all those who wish to know the truth.


Svetlana Gubareva: “If we don't try to get the truth for ourselves, then no one else will help us”.
"AFTER A TERRORIST ATTACK PEOPLE ARE ON THEIR OWN"
"I wished to attract attention to the tragedy. To the problems of those who suffered from terrorist attacks," recounts Svetlana Gubareva, revealing the main idea behind the book: 'Nord-Ost' - Investigation Incomplete. During the terror attack on Dubrovka, the Karaganda resident lost her 13-year-old daughter, as well as her fiance.
Svetlana Nikolaevna Gubareva is one of the authors of the book. Seven people worked to gather and edit this enormous collection of information. All are members of the 'Nord-Ost' Regional Organization.
"There are a lot of people who suffered from terrorist acts, and I don't just mean 'Nord-Ost'," says Svetlana Gubareva. "Since 1995, beginning with the seizure of hostages in Budenovsk, the (Russian) goverment acknowleges that more than 15,000 people have suffered from such acts. After a terrorist attack people are on their own. This is biggest problem right now, and few people even know this. After the Moscow apartment blasts in 1999 there were 12 bodies that couldn't be buried. Seven years later, these 96 fragments of human remains are still kept at the Lianozovsky morgue, because the bureaucrats claim that the government doesn't have the money to do DNA testing. Our work on the investigation of 'Nord-Ost' took three and a half years. The authors gathered heaps of documents, digital camera images of official documents, and even handwritten notes we made from government archives that they wouldn't let us copy. We did this so that we could collect even the smallest detail of what went on during those awful October days. At first we prepared the report for the human rights organizations, who made yearly reports on the situation in Russia. Later, when things got serious enough, we thought: we should know all the rest," recalls Svetlana Gubareva. "And we decided to make our report into a separate book. It was published with the help of the 'Aid to Victims of Terrorism Fund'. We held a presentation ceremony in Moscow, which caused a bit of agitation on behalf of the authorities. Last weekend there was a presentation in Nizhniy Novgorod, and there have been invitations to other Russian cities."

"TOP SECRET" DOCUMENTS
The report is in five parts. The Introduction is titled: "Lack of Effective Preventative Measures in the Fight with Terrorism". There is a complete listing of all terrorist attacks in the last 10 years, and the special operations associated with them. Another part: "The government's Failure to Fulfill its Obligations" is where the authors use documents to show what was done, and conversely, what was not done, to save hostages. The next section is "Reaction by the Community". There are attachments which include a large amount of documents from the criminal case and materials in the media.
The Moscow city attorney general's resolutions are also included in the book. The 'Nord-Osters' with bitter irony refer to these resolutions as 'fateful'. They concern his refusal to open criminal cases. One resolution concerned the special operations troops who organized the assault on the theatrical center that led to the loss of 130 hostages, while the second was in regards to the medical workers who did not provide timely and necessary first aid to the poisoned hostages.
"They wouldn't let us have access to these documents for a long time," remembers Svetlana Nikolaevna. "They used the argument about 'investigative secrets', but under orders from judges Susina and Vasina the attorney general had to let us view both of these resolutions, together with a few volumes of the criminal case. Altogether there are more than 120 volumes in the case. When we got access to the documents, we had proof that the authorities were just wasting time."

The grave of Sasha Letyago."TIMELY MEDICAL ASSISTANCE"
"In the media they often state that the hostage rescue operation was 'brilliant', and text-book perfect, but our book includes materials that shows that it was anything but smooth," says Svetalana Gubareva. "Let me give you the most glaring example. In his resolution to not bring criminal charges, the head of murder and gangsterism investigations for the city of Moscow, Ibragimov, stated that the ambulance workers had all the equipment and medicine they needed, and that there were adequate medics. But in reading the materials from their investigation, we found out what these people REALLY said.
"The medics' statements are quoted in the book. So let's just place the attorney general's statement about 'timely medical assistance' (we included it in the book, how could we do otherwise?) alongside the shocking stories from physicians and medics on the scene:
"From the testimony of O.V. Belyakova: 'On arriving at the palace of culture of the Moscow ball-bearings plant (the theatrical center - author) they loaded two victims into our vehicle. Within a minute a worker from the disaster ministry told me to accompany a bus that had some victims in it. There were no medicines or medical instruments whatsoever in the bus. En route the bus stopped at all the lights. On arrival at City Hospital #1, security at first would not let us drive into the premesis. There were 22 victims on the bus, one of whom died en route. The victims were arranged chaotically, some were in seats, some were on the floor'.
"From the testimony of L.O. Safronova: 'The organization of aid to the victims and their evacuation were, in my opinion, unsatisfactory, and this was true for our brigade... I didn't know what substance was used during the special operation, so therefore no special drugs or methods for rendering first aid to the victims were used'.
Svetlana Gubareva continues: "From the testimony of M.Yu. Zaharenkov: 'Right after this a medical worker unknown to me took 6 ampules and some syringes and went into the bus where the victims were. There were 17 victims on the bus, 4 of whom were showing no signs of life'."
After receiving access to the autopsy report, the relatives of the dead hostages discovered that 67 of the 130 hostages who perished died without receiving any medical assistance whatsoever, including 5 children: 11-year-old Dasha Olhovnikova, 13-year-old Dasha Frolova, 13-year-old Kristina Kurbatova, 13-year-old Arseniy Kurilenko, and 14-year-old Nina Milovidova. Among those who received no first aid was Svetlana Gubareva's fiance, Sandy Booker, an American.
The death of 13-year-old Sasha Letyago was also a medical catastrophe. Svetlana Gubareva found out that her daughter had simply been crushed to death during transport to the hospital. Sasha's lifeless corpse was dragged out from under 30 people who had been packed like sardines (there is no other way to put this) into a 12-seat UAZ van. The official cause of death, however, was something else entirely: chronic bronchitis.

A CONVERGENCE OF CIRCUMSTANCES
It would be worthwhile mentioning the compound used by the special operations forces during the hostage rescue.
At first the gas was kept a closely-guarded secret, and a few official documents merely referred to it as "unidentified". Later, the mystery was revealed: before the beginning of the assault on the theater hall where the hostages and some of the terrorists were located, a special compound based on fentanyl was introduced into the building. Fentanyl is a narcotic used as a general anesthetic and pain-killer. People at the theatrical center who inhaled it lost consciousness. More than a hundred of the hostages who fell asleep in the theater hall never awakened. Many died simply because they did not receive medical assistance in time.
"In medical texts it's written that fentanyl is not do be used without an anesthesist present, or without equipment for performing artificial respiration. Neither was present at Dubrovka," Svetlana Gubareva bitterly empasizes. "In making the decision to use the gas, the authorities simply sentenced people to death."
After the terror act was over, the authorities maintained that the hostages did not die from the gas, but from a convergence of circumstances. The hostages had gone through terrible stress - 60 hours without food, little to drink, and almost no sleep. Many of them were suffering from chronic illnesses, and their bodies could not cope with the unexpected stress of anesthesia.
"Even if one agrees with such an assertion, the question arises," states Svetlana Gubareva. "Didn't they know about this convergence of circumstances BEFORE they made the decision to use the gas? And how was it that right up until the beginning of the gas attack, not a single hostage managed to die from all of these circumstances? Only add that one fator - the special substance - and a massive loss of hostages began."
This fact alone does more to cause relatives of the dead hostages to doubt the government's statements about the harmlessness of the substance used, than anything else.
"Then what about the rescuers and special operations soldiers who also were injured?" adds Svetlana Gubareva. "From the media it's known that 9 soliders took ill and were hospitalized. Did they also go without food, drink, and sleep for 57 hours?!"

A DIFFERENT TRUTH
The relatives and loved ones of those who died at Dubrovka do not recognize the official 'truth' that was trumpetted from on high. For three and a half years they worked at finding out the truth. They have proof in documental form, but those at the highest levels do not listen. The 'Nord-Osters' have passed through every possible step of the judicial system in Russia. They were not fighting for compensation for their pain and suffering, but for their rights.
"There are two sides to this matter," considers Svetlana Gubareva. "We have no doubts about the seizure of hostages being a crime on the part of the terrorists. On the other hand, the government did not fulfill its obligations to its citizens: the authorities let it be possible to seize hostages - Movsar Baraev, who was twice officially declared dead, was able to form up a group of rebels to seize the theater; the authorities then passed up a chance to negotiate; next the authorities used a chemical substance in an assault, without any regards for negative consequences; finally, the authorities didn't provide freed hostages with timely, sufficient medical aid. The government continues fail in its obligations, and now it is stripping us of our right to justice, an investigation by qualified personnel, and an independent judicial process."

'NORD-OST' IN NUMBERS
More than 900 people were taken hostage by terrorists in the theatrical center at Dubrovka. 130 hostages died, including 10 children.
69 children were made orphans.
More than 700 former hostages were poisoned, and many of them were permanently handicapped - 12 lost all or part of their hearing.
41 terrorists were destroyed.
In accordance with a resolution by the city government of Moscow, the families of dead hostages were paid 100 thousand rubles each (about US$4000), and each hostage who survived the terror act - 50 thousand (about US$2000).
61 lawsuits were filed against the Moscow city government and city department of finance, asking for damages totalling US$60 million. The lawsuits ranged from US$500 thousand to US$2.5 million. Every lawsuit was summarily dismissed.
There were also 4 lawsuits filed in the Basmanny Court in Moscow by foreign citizens, asking for a total of US$9.5 million. These were dismissed as well.
57 medals were awarded for the hostage-rescue operation.
(This information is from the book 'Nord-Ost', a collection of publications on the 3rd anniversary of the terrorist attack.)

An electronic version in Russian and English can be found on the website http://www.pravdabeslana.ru/nordost/nordost.htm

“I DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS”
The book 'Nord-Ost' contains the articles of journalists who, in the opinion of the former hostages and relatives of deceased hostages, were very effective in bringing the case to light. Not just the nightmare in the theatrical center, but the courtroom drama as well. During this court cases relatives who had lost their loved ones were looking for answers to many questions. Among these, why did their loved ones die?
Svetlana Gubareva also dined on judicial pie. Some of the events in court were observed and reported by Novaya Gazeta reporter Anna Politkovskaya. We provide here an portion of one of her articles, published in NG in April of 2004.
On April 15th, in the Zamoskvoreche regional court of Moscow, a few dozen people waited in Hall 203 for the miracle of Detective Kalchuk's appearance. Vladimir Ilych Kalchuk is Lord and God to the former 'Nord-Ost' hostages and the family members of those who perished during the terror attack. For 30 months, ever since the terrorists seized the Moscow theater, Kalchuk has been chief of the investigative brigade for the Moscow district attorney's office. He holds in his hands the true facts about the tragedy, and the victims awaited and still await any information he can provide concerning the deaths of their loved ones.

But Kalchuk is closed fellow, and hard to get to. There are hundreds of stories about him, about how he insulted a few of the 'Nord-Ost' people and would not share any facts with them. At long last, Judge Irina Vasina of the Zamoskvoreche court examined a complaint of 'investigative inaction', which was brought by former hostage Svetlana Gubareva, who lost her 13-year-old daughter Sasha and American fiance Sandy Booker at Dubrovka. Detective Kalchuk was officially summoned for questioning in the course of the lawsuit.

Participants: Svetlana Gubareva — plaintiff. Karina Moskalenko and Olga Mihailova — her lawyers. Representative of the Moscow District Attorney's Office — Yelena Levshina. Judge — Irina Vasina.

Moskalenko: “Did you or other members of the investigative group receive Gubareva's petition?”
Kalchuk: “I don’t remember. There were so many papers. I remember the plaintiff. (He reads the petition handed to him by Moskalenko.) Yes, I saw something like this.“
Moskalenko: “Gubareva states that you are displaying inaction in the case, that there were concrete questions in the petition, to which she received no answers.”
Kalchuk: “That’s her problem. I believe that my answers resolved everything.”
Moskalenko: “But from your answers it's still unknown how and where Gubareva’s two loved ones died.”
Kalchuk: “One. Booker was nobody to her, so far as I know.”
Gubareva: “Two!”
Kalchuk (laughing): “Plaintiffs always have these questions. It’s always 'invite in anyone you can’.”
Moskalenko: “I’m simply repeating those questions that Gubareva asked you in her petition. These are very important to her. When and where did death come to Letyago Alexandra? In the hospital? In the concert hall?"
Kalchuk (irritated, changing to 'blatnoi' criminal intonation): “Okay, we won’t screw around. I get a lot of these. Well, where did death come to Letyago? Ah… I don’t remember.”
Moskalenko: “But Gubareva states that you didn’t even find out the place of her daughter's death. Agree that this question, like the others, should not remain unanswered for her. Another question: did the investigative group find any substance, which was used by the special forces during the storming (of the theater)?”
Kalchuk: “I won't answer you anymore. I'm getting up and will be silent.”
Moskalenko: “The seventh question in Gubareva’s petition to you was: why were doctors called to Sandy Booker at 8:30, that is, two and a half hours afterwards?”
Kalchuk (interrupting): “I won’t answer.”
Moskalenko: “But you determined the circumstances of the victims’ deaths?”
Kalchuk: “I don't want to talk about this anymore.”
Moskalenko: “But you’re in court. You won't answer the judge?”
Kalchuk (openly rude): “No, I won’t answer.”
Moskalenko, turning to the judge: “I ask that you provide an answer to the question, which is especially important to Gubareva. How did Sandy Booker die?”
Judge: “And how may I ‘provide’?”
Kalchuk (smiling and muttering to the judge): “That means force me to talk.”
Judge to the lawyer: “I don't understand the point of irritating the investigator here. Why are you irritating him?”
Moskalenko: “People require concrete answers to questions as to why their loved ones perished.”
Kalchuk (though the judge did not address him): “I won’t speak anymore - you won’t get a thing out of me.”
The judge gives Gubareva permission to ask a question. Gubareva: “You have no doubts about the experts’ findings on the gas?”
Kalchuk: “You’re trying to draw me into discussion so that the media can write: ‘they’re just sitting on their butts’. I was called in so that they could make fun of me.”
Gubareva: “Don’t even think that I get satisfaction by returning over and over again to the circumstances of my loved ones’ deaths.”
Kalchuk: “I won’t come back. And I won’t answer. And don’t bother sending me your questions.”
This was a typical Russian judicial action, and as always merciless to its victims. Even though, like the investigation, it was supposed to have been of some use to the victims.


Marina Funtikova



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chechnya; nordost; russia; svetlanagubareva
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1 posted on 12/20/2006 10:28:37 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter

bookmark


2 posted on 12/20/2006 10:34:07 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: struwwelpeter
The Moscow theater siege was quickly forgotten in MSM.
3 posted on 12/20/2006 10:34:55 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

Beslan was bigger and bloodier. What is to come may be worse yet :-(


4 posted on 12/20/2006 10:36:41 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter

Thank you for doing this.


5 posted on 12/20/2006 10:40:42 PM PST by svni
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To: struwwelpeter
Beslan was bigger and bloodier. What is to come may be worse yet :-(

You may unfortunately be right.
6 posted on 12/20/2006 10:58:09 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

great but in the meantime don't forget to arm the terrorist states and make lots of rubles...money is king remember


7 posted on 12/20/2006 11:19:10 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (If it weren't for lawyers we wouldn't need 'em)
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To: svni; kinoxi; nw_arizona_granny
Sveta: Ne za chto ;-)

Kinoxi: FYI, svni has a lot of 'Nord-Ost' info on her FR homepage http://www.freerepublic.com/~svni, including many articles by the murdered journalist Anna Politkovskaya.

Also, the link to the book in English quoted in the article is incorrect, it should be http://pravdabeslana.ru/nordost/dokleng.htm
8 posted on 12/20/2006 11:27:39 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter

Thanks for the link(s).


9 posted on 12/20/2006 11:36:22 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: svni

My sympathies.


10 posted on 12/20/2006 11:38:26 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: struwwelpeter
So? Everyone involved, authorities included [and especially the authorities] were behaving in full accordance with their social nature, which was [and is] known beforehand, i.e. 150% predictably. One could not predict what and when would happen - be it Chernobyl, "Kursk", "Nord-Ost", Beslan, an explosion of apartment block or at some military-inductrial plant site - whatever. But the outline of the response, of the inevitable cover-up and stonewalling, of everyone in the position of doing so actively covering one's derriere, of blaming it all on the enemies du jour whenever possible etc. - is perfectly predictable in advance. Here is the prediction for you: whatever catastrophe happens there in the year 2021, the general picture of the aftermath will be the same.
11 posted on 12/20/2006 11:41:28 PM PST by GSlob
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To: struwwelpeter
You can not expect a government to protect individuals from terrorists. feral animals (criminals) or the insane, the most it can do is some amount of help after the fact.
12 posted on 12/20/2006 11:43:53 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: GSlob

inductrial=industrial


13 posted on 12/20/2006 11:49:04 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

I don't think our social nature is too far removed from the Russian one. If anything, the similarities scare the bejezus out of me :-(


14 posted on 12/20/2006 11:54:40 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter
You are correct. "Sloj cheloveka v nas chut'- chut'
Nasloen zybko i trevozhno.
Legko v skotinu nas vernut'.
Podnyat' obratno - ochen' slozhno"
Igor Guberman
{The layer of humanity in us
Is very thin and fragile
It's very easy to return us to the beast['s level]
And very difficult to raise us back]
15 posted on 12/21/2006 12:11:33 AM PST by GSlob
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To: struwwelpeter

Beslan was bigger and bloodier. What is to come may be worse yet :-(==

"Beslan" was the successufl hostage taking for terrorists. Goverment failed to free hostages and avoid huge casualties. So for MSM it is more interesting.


16 posted on 12/21/2006 1:09:49 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: struwwelpeter
"... "AFTER A TERRORIST ATTACK PEOPLE ARE ON THEIR OWN"..."

We should remember this! Count the mosques in your neighbourhoods, note their locations, then stay well armed and safe.

There are a lot of mosques in the USA, and if trouble starts overseas soon, I have a hunch we're gonna find out just what the muzzies here are storing in their mosques. ....................FRegards

17 posted on 12/21/2006 1:40:15 AM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: struwwelpeter
"There are a lot of people who suffered from terrorist acts

That's nothing compared to the number who will die if governments follow Svetlana's advice on how to handle terrorism.

Svetlana says it was simply a mistake for the government not to negotiate with the terrorists. She wants goverrnments to negotiate with terrorists, and give in to their demands. Rewarding terrorism will inspire a dramatic increase of it, and bring the deaths of far more innocent people. I sympathise with her loss, but where is her sympathy for the drastic increase in terrorism deaths her shortsighted approach would create?

Her mentality is that no one would have died if negotiations had taken place.
Reality is that everyone in the theatre could have died with this approach.

Not only did the terrorists fail to walk away with any of their demands met, they also failed to walk away at all. One should consider the positive result of all 41 terrorists being killed. Since not every terrorist is willing to committ suicide, this result helps to discourage future terrorism. That saves many innocent lives.

One resolution concerned the special operations troops who organized the assault on the theatrical center that led to the loss of 130 hostages.

Why not acknowledge that many times more people were saved than were lost by this assault?
Nowhere in the article does it acknowledge anyone was rescued at all.
The way the sentence is written implies that any other course of police action would have resulted in those same 130 hostages living.
The reality is the opposite -- it is just amazing that the vast majority of hostages were saved, when the theatre was wired by terrorists with more than enough explosives to murder everyone.
Even in hindsight, even if 130 were sure to die from gas, it may still well have been the best course of action given the terrorists and explosives involved.
Only a month before this event, two plane loads of people were massacred by likeminded Chechen terrorists, giving people little doubt the theatre terrorists were also eager to murder as many people as possible.

the government did not fulfill its obligations to its citizens: the authorities let it be possible to seize hostages

Is terrorism foremost a failure of government obligations to prevent it?
By this contrived standard, every terrorism victim is owed lots of money by the government.
What a surprise this is coming from an author who is suing the government.

We should look elsewhere for an objective evaluation of this event and how to handle future ones. 61 lawsuits were filed against the Moscow city government and city department of finance, asking for damages totalling US$60 million. The lawsuits ranged from US$500 thousand to US$2.5 million. Every lawsuit was summarily dismissed.

I am glad every lawsuit was summarily dismissed. I am in favor of laws being passed to give every government and business absolute immunity from being sued as a result of a terrorist attack. Mistakes and shortcomings are inevitable in handling surprise attacks -- terrorists are to blame for the results of terrorism period. Such lawsuits only magnify the damage of terrorist attacks. They also may have a pernicious effect on the handling of future attacks, where people may put reducing lawsuit liability ahead of saving lives.

A thorough evaluation of lessons to be applied to future attacks should take place, but not in our jackpot justice system.

next the authorities used a chemical substance in an assault, without any regards for negative consequences

I believe they did consider that the negative consequences of the gas were far less than letting the terrorists blow up everyone in the theatre.

Hopefully medical followups will be better next time, but even with a predictable number of certain deaths gas may still be the best option at times with terrorists.

After a terrorist attack people are on their own. This is biggest problem right now, and few people even know this.

I think reducing the number of people who will die in future terrorist attacks is a much more important problem.

After a car crash people are on their own. After a family illness, house fire, or murder people are on their own. Why should terrorism be any different?
Beyond the thousands of dollars already given, what further role for expanded government here, and why specifically for victims of terrorism more than other calamities?
18 posted on 12/21/2006 2:33:16 AM PST by Mount Athos
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You can not expect a government to protect individuals from terrorists.

Then that government needs to be replaced. Jefferson would never have shrugged his shoulders at the challenge of terrorism on his own soil. Nor would Lincoln. Of course they weren't being kept by oil money and global interests.

19 posted on 12/21/2006 2:56:51 AM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: gotribe
Replace the government with what?

I think you have misunderstood my post.
Even Israel with their best leadership could not protect an individual from terrorists. ( I am not talking about the present "leadership of Israel".)

About the most an American government can do is try to infiltrate the many terrorist cells in our Country and as President Bush did by carrying the fight to the terrorists home fronts and using all means to cut off money used by terrorists.
20 posted on 12/21/2006 7:39:54 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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