[roses of sharon]

LOL, good grief is right! Imagine in WWII, everytime we ran into trouble from the Germans, leaders came out an whined, "we are losing!".

Just so they wouldn't be criticized by their political enemies as liars.

[StarCMC]

Yep. Agree completely.

[newzjunkey]

It's painful to really step back and look at where we are compared to what were are capable of less than 100 years ago.

Worth reading (or listening to): FDR Pearl Harbor address

Here's something else:

I would to see the [Iraqis] do more. I would to see them carry 
this burden I would like to see them doing the fighting and 
not just Americans. Because I don't think there is any alternative 
to that. We are not going to win unless the [Iraqis] do more, 
and make more of an effort. It shouldn't be just the United States
and Americans doing it.

First we were making the effort there so that people had their own 
right to decide their own future and select their own form of 
government. And it wasn't going to be imposed on them by 
[the terrorists]. We had the support of the people of [Iraq]. I think 
thats why we were involved in that struggle... Now we turned. 
When we found that the [Iraqis] haven't given the support and are 
not making the effort.

That was RFK. I swapped Iraq for South Vietnam.

[Alberta's Child]

Imiagine a World War II where we didn't bomb the enemy into oblivion, we insisted on calling fascism a "religion of peace," and where we allowed Germany to establish a new post-war government with totalitarian fascism written into their constitution as their form of government.

That's pretty much how this "war" has been waged for the last four years.

[ichabod1]

Imagine in WWII, everytime we ran into trouble from the Germans, leaders came out an whined, "we are losing!".

They probably did. No one remembers now.