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Woman beaten on Jerusalem bus for refusing to move to rear seat
Haaretz.com ^ | Dec 19, 2006 | Daphna Berman

Posted on 12/19/2006 11:35:51 AM PST by Sarah

Woman beaten on Jerusalem bus for refusing to move to rear seat By Daphna Berman A woman who reported a vicious attack by an ad-hoc "modesty patrol" on a Jerusalem bus last month is now lining up support for her case and may be included in a petition to the High Court of Justice over the legality of sex-segregated buses. Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City early on November 24 when a group of ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the back of the Egged No. 2 bus. She is now in touch with several legal advocacy and women's organizations, and at the same time, waiting for the police to apprehend her attackers.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hareidim; israel
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To: ichabod1
Then one could hope that they would get a good butt-kicking, since that's what their behavior entitles them to.
21 posted on 12/19/2006 11:52:48 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Sarah
Already posted

Although that thread got a little...heated.

22 posted on 12/19/2006 11:53:14 AM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I once read that the stringencies in religion always tend to the 'man-to-G-d' side. That is that people will say more 'hail Marys' yet not so quickly give charity. Or in this case, the humiliation and physical attack on this woman was all in the name of 'modesty'.
I agree that she was pushing the envelope a bit, but anyone in their right mind and able to prioritize G-d's will would never have attacked her. Especially since it was a totally public bus, but even if it were private and separate, that's no license for violence and abuse.


23 posted on 12/19/2006 11:54:02 AM PST by Sarah
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To: ichabod1

Yes, you can place the controls on Otto Pilate.


24 posted on 12/19/2006 11:54:11 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Grut
"Ultra orthodox" anything is usually bad news; old practices tend to be primitive.

Amen.

25 posted on 12/19/2006 11:54:26 AM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: Sarah
The other passengers, she says, blamed her for not moving to the back of the bus and called her a "stupid American with no sechel [common sense.]

Must be a result of banging their heads on the wall.

26 posted on 12/19/2006 11:55:37 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Dog Gone

;-) Hey I like that!


27 posted on 12/19/2006 11:57:31 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Almost. There is a sizable minority of NK Jews in the Old City that despises the secular state of Israel and Jews that do not conform to their opinions re: Orthodox beliefs and behaviors.

I had a confrontation once in the Old City when holding my little daughter's hand --- a no-no in their opinion, but necessary b/c she was still in the run-into-traffic age.

But as A. aptly notes, these guys are like the rattle-snake handling Chrisitians or the God-hate-America-because-of-fags Baptist minister.


28 posted on 12/19/2006 11:57:32 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Then one could hope that they would get a good butt-kicking, since that's what their behavior entitles them to.

Now now. Treating women like chattel is only frowned upon when Muslims do it. I would have sworn you received that memo.

29 posted on 12/19/2006 11:57:44 AM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: Red Badger

I love the smell of puns in the morning.


30 posted on 12/19/2006 11:59:04 AM PST by Disambiguator (This tagline is brought to you by the letter "S" with a slash in front of it.)
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To: Sarah

I thought only Moslems behaved this way?


31 posted on 12/19/2006 12:00:02 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Realism

Who bangs whose heads against a wall?


32 posted on 12/19/2006 12:00:49 PM PST by Sarah
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To: MeanWestTexan

"But as A. aptly notes, these guys are like ... the God-hates-America-because-of-fags Baptist minister."


Very apt analogy. As far as "logic" goes.


33 posted on 12/19/2006 12:02:08 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Sarah
I once read that the stringencies in religion always tend to the 'man-to-G-d' side. That is that people will say more 'hail Marys' yet not so quickly give charity. Or in this case, the humiliation and physical attack on this woman was all in the name of 'modesty'.

Yes, that seems to be true in many instances.

I suppose these people are included among those who dedicate their every waking moment to insuring that they will be 'saved' and obtain favorable treatment in an after-life. As long as their selfishness doesn't harm others, one can tolerate it, I suppose; but when their selfishness motivates them to harm others, a line must be drawn and they must be stopped.

34 posted on 12/19/2006 12:02:45 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Sarah

we were our orthodox friend who will push back as hard as they do. My wife did not--trying to ride busses during high holidays is difficult at best--especially trying to leave the Western Wall..


35 posted on 12/19/2006 12:03:49 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Wormwood

I never read my memos (which explains a lot, of course)...


36 posted on 12/19/2006 12:04:42 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Dog Gone

Didn't they forswear belief in the afterlife?


37 posted on 12/19/2006 12:05:02 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: Wormwood

Huh? Jews treat their wives wonderfully. Respectfully, and so on. Treating women like chattel is not the same thing as tacitly agreeing to a set-up where both sexes are seated more modestly and both sexes are more comfortable like that.
This happens to be a bus-run with a very heavily orthodox clientele. (due to the route)

That isn't to say that these zealots were correct in their reaction. Even if it was a private bus, resorting to violence was totally ridiculous.

I've been at weddings that had a tacit separate seating/dancing arrangement and would inevitably have some obnoxious 'Uncle Charlie' sitting on the women's side (in the name of equality of the sexes or what-not)
Eventually the decision is made to gently suggest that his participation is making the women uncomfortable. Then he moves or (usually) doesn't and the majority of women just ingore him.


38 posted on 12/19/2006 12:09:23 PM PST by Sarah
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To: Sarah

If they didn't specify otherwise, I'd have thought this was TROP.


39 posted on 12/19/2006 12:10:43 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: old and tired

You are expecting sense from religious fanatics?


40 posted on 12/19/2006 12:10:55 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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