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To: Red6
The Serbs wanted to push people out of their home and property for the exact same motive.

Completely untrue! Serbia remains the most multi-ethnic nation in the Balkans. The Serbs were fighting against being pushed out of their own homes, as any non-Dhimmi would have done.

91 posted on 12/19/2006 5:43:20 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

After the break up of YU, the Serbs had the tanks. They had the MIGs. They had the artillery, the air defense, the officers.......

They were the aggressors; they didn't stop even after they were warned repeatedly because they were creating an international humanitarian disaster with their actions. Truth is, what finally got the Europeans to push for NATO involvement was no higher moral cause, but rather a refugee crisis and conflict which showed signs of spreading into other areas.

Today, some, in order to feel better about themselves, or blinded by pure super nationalistic fervor (Another similarity with the Nazi) want to rewrite history in a way that is more palatable to them. It was the Serbs that were calling the shots. Saying the Serbs are the victims is like saying Germany was attacked by Poland in WWII (Another similarity "The false rationalization”) and that the Germans were the victims.

You’re attempting to turn the world on its head. It won’t work. Too many people saw first hand what happened. The Germans, Italians, Brits, no one is arguing with you today since this issue is largely surpassed by more pressing stories, but within the political establishment, ALL know who the culprit was. I was in Germany at the time of the conflict in the Balkans with the DoD. I personally can remember the refugee camps the Germans set up to deal with the chaos created by the “Serbs”. Today you deny it happened and even want to portray Serbia as the victim. Sorry, won’t happen.

No matter how many fake NATO websites you create that spew Serb propaganda, from the court in the Hague, to the international political establishment, you have branded yourselves with something on par with the Nazi. Your denial of what happened does not help you. It makes you look only worse. Abu Gharib happened. Even Rumsfeld whom I admire admits to what happened there. In interviews he will openly say that this was probably one of the low points in his career, and he had in reality nothing to do with it! I served in Iraq and support the mission there 100%. But I will not deny that at Abu Gharib Iraqi’s were abused. If you as a people want to get any respect, then you must take responsibility for the mess you made, not deny it. Denying it only makes you look like the Nazi war criminal who also denied it after the war. It’s like Clinton who said “I didn’t inhale” or “I did not have sex with that woman”. After the DNA on that dress, several witnesses, etc, no matter what he says, the facts speak for themselves. Likewise, the events surrounding the Balkan intervention are well documented.

You had UN observers, EU representatives, NATO soldiers from various countries…….etc. Were they all conspiring and collaborating to come up with a fake story? Investigations by the international tribunal, sworn testimony, the international media…… And all you do is deny deny deny and make counter accusations. Kind of like the Holocaust denier, but as we know, you guys don’t like any correlation to the Nazi’s or WWII.

An example: Some time ago I debated with what I am fairly sure was a Serb. He tried telling me about all the US planes that were allegedly shot down during the conflict and how we didn’t score the kills we did. I asked him, “what about the tail numbers which we record on our planes? The HUD tapes? AWACS which is watching and has an international crew?........etc” He just kept denying and denying that we had shot down the MIG29s we did. He was quoting huge losses on our side, which he could not back with any “credible” source. He made an ass of himself.

Likewise, many of the atrocities committed are at this point a matter of fact. At this point, you have 48 senior Serb figures (political and military) who have served time for crimes you say never happened. But we all know, the prisons are full of innocent people; just ask any one of them.


93 posted on 12/19/2006 7:04:44 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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