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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread (?) Monday Dec 18th, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com | 12-18-2006

Posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie

On Sunday's Meet the Depressed Mr Newt stuck his whole head in it once again. He said we needed to send 500,000 troops to Iraq. Some questions for Mr Newt

Hey Newt, We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam at the height of our involvement. How did that work out for us?

Curious, where are you going to get the 500,000 troops for Iraq? How long do they stay? What are they going to be doing?

Gee Newt, I guess I missed the part of your Resume that covered your military background. Which Staff Schools did YOU attend Newt?

Newt has become a perfect machine politician. He simply is picking up on what the DC Political-Media complex wants to hear and saying it. He and McCain are basically the singing the same one note DC Marching song. This way both of them can placate the Right by saying "See we are supporting the troops" and still suck up to the DC noise machine by being against how the Iraq mission is being run by the President.

It is short attention span theater time again. The American people simply lack the emotional or intellectually discipline to face anything that requires sustained effort. So as usually the political snake oil salesmen are crawling out of the slime with the usual simplistic answers and easy fixes. Only problem is what they are trying to selling on Iraq is pure poison. The DC "Conventional Wisdom" on Iraq is, as usual, neither conventional nor wisdom

What Newt SHOULD be doing is listening to what Gen Abizaid told the US Senate when he came back from Iraq to testify to the US Senate in mid November. Newt should become Gen Abizaid's standard bearer. Position himself as the guy covering our troops back from the idiots in DC who STILL have learned nothing since LBJ screwed up "Nam.

For example, Newt could be raising the point that when asked specifically about troop levels by Sen McCain, Gen Abizaid (who only happens to be the actual commander on the Ground in Iraq) all but told McCain he is an utter idiot on Iraq. Gen Abizaid made it clear he did NOT need more troops. Newt should cut himself out of the 2008 pack by being the sane serious voice on Iraq backing up the Military rather then merely howling after the Junk Media pack. This "More Troops" propaganda line is both stupid political strategy and stupid military strategy.

There are 4 reasons why too many troops can be as bad as too few troops in a Counter Insurgency Mission.

Retardation, Marginalization, Friction and Unrealistic expectations.

Too many troops retards the locals efforts to develop their own military/political structure to govern . It takes time and effort to train and blood troops. It especially takes time to train up the cadre to run a serious military. Good NCOs and Officers are not born, they are made. This was on of the major US mistakes in Vietnam. It was easier to just have the US troops take over doing everything then work through the leaning curve of the locals. Problem was once the US no longer had the political will to carry on the mission they simply dumped the problem on an under developed Vietnamese political/military structure.

There is this odd American arrogance that seem to think ONLY Americans can do anything. Everyone else is incompetent and or corrupt. Only problem is the American public, like most spoiled brats, lacks the emotional or mental discipline to stick with unpleasant difficult tasks. Too many US troops would simply retards all efforts to get the locals to the point they can contain or break the Insurgents for themselves then when the petulant American people simply decided they wanted us to go home, there would be no one to pick up the bat for us.

Too many troops also marginalizes efforts to develop a counter political structure strong enough to break or contain the Insurgency. It deligitmizes the locals efforts and makes them simply look as lackeys of the occupying power. Having the US run everything marginalizes the political credibility of the local political structure and spurs the Insurgents propaganda and recruitment efforts.

The more troops the more friction with the locals. Face it, having a bunch of hyper aggressive mostly young mostly male Americans suddenly descend on you town is NO ones idea of a good time. Even in our own military towns there is a lot of friction between the locals and the military. Think how much worse that would be in an alien culture with a living memory of being a colony in everything but name? A heavily armed society with an exaggerated sense of male empowerment? Basically you have two aggressive testosterone drive heavily armed dominate male groups in close proximity.

Unrealistic Expectations. Send a lot troop and the expectation is you can quickly and easily solve all problems and bring the boys home. No, not in a Counter Insurgency. Counter Insurgency is evolutionary, not revolutionary. It takes time and lots of back breaking effort.. Sending a whole lot of troops simply exhausted your fiscal and military resources faster.

There are other things such as the added friction both on the locals and the US forces of having heavily armed, under trained conventional troops performing close combat operations in civilian areas. The counter productive results of a "kill people and wreck stuff" Conventional mentality in dealing with a Asymmetrical threat etc etc etc.

Frankly the DC Noise machine should simply shut up and get out of the US Military's way. They studied Vietnam hard and actually have the right answers here. As in Vietnam, the problem here is the "Washington Knows Best" mentality of the entrenched political media power structure who simply will sacrifice anything and anyone to avoid having to admit GW Bush has been right about Iraq all along.


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To: navynucmom
Hey, "hi".

See post #236. Rush just pretended he knew some old Dodger/Giants baseball lore.

He lied as usual.

241 posted on 12/18/2006 10:47:39 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: katieanna

Joking. It was really bad.

Taglines:
He's making a list... pray you're not on it.
Spreading holiday fear this Christmas.


Here's the plot outline:
Bill Goldberg plays the devil's son who lost a wager with a angel and was forced to spend 1000 years playing Santa, but now the wager of that time has run out, and good old Santa isn't so joyful anymore. He makes up for lost time and starts to kill people.


The best part was when the rednecks shot demonic reindeer out of the sky and had them on the hood of the cars.


242 posted on 12/18/2006 10:48:12 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: OldFriend

It was interesting to me that he had spoken to the police a few times and they didn't pursue it (at least at the outset). The arrest comes on the back of an interview he gave yesterday.

For all I know, this may really be the guy. But all we hear so far is that he knew all the girls and had had sex with some of them. There'll be a lot of guys in Ipswich fit that description.
I'll keep you posted!


243 posted on 12/18/2006 10:48:14 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Thanks! I will try to find it and see it.


244 posted on 12/18/2006 10:48:29 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: Roccus
Rush can't get anything right.

See # 236.

245 posted on 12/18/2006 10:48:51 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: rush

When did the NBA hire Michael Richards as their PR guy?


246 posted on 12/18/2006 10:49:14 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: All
LOL. I just got this in my email

WHEN YOU SEE THIS ON YOUR WAY OUT THE DOOR IN THE MORNING...
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…go back in and have another cup of coffee. It is probably not going to be a good day!

247 posted on 12/18/2006 10:50:00 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: beyond the sea

I tune him out when he talks about sports....


248 posted on 12/18/2006 10:50:51 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Specter is a POS.

...A Person Of Sincerity?

249 posted on 12/18/2006 10:51:07 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: Fawn

LOL!


250 posted on 12/18/2006 10:51:16 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: aligncare

LOL!


251 posted on 12/18/2006 10:51:44 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: globalwhiplash
The Eagles will crush Dallas. Play the Rocky Song!

No, Bill Parcells will outcoach Andy Reid and Tony Romo is the new Roger Staubach...

252 posted on 12/18/2006 10:53:42 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: Fawn
Nice clouds. ;-)

As the great ex-Pitt player, Chicago Bear, and Dallas Cowboy Mike Ditka used to say, "There is nothing to be gained by pointing fingers."

;-)

253 posted on 12/18/2006 10:53:47 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: All

That is a great photo. I hope I never see that when I step outside. I feel bad for people like Pelosi and Kennedy, they probably see this more than any of us.

Hello fellow freepers, see next post for a great website. Good morning Rush!


254 posted on 12/18/2006 10:53:51 AM PST by lower_middle-class_dad (Freedom is never free!)
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To: Sensei Ern

Correction...it was buffalo, not deer.


255 posted on 12/18/2006 10:53:51 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: LibertyLee
Dallas will win. Period.
256 posted on 12/18/2006 10:55:12 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: LibertyLee

A four day party for Pelosi? I wanna barf.


257 posted on 12/18/2006 10:55:26 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: globalwhiplash
True indeed...Followed him a bit when he was at San Fran.
258 posted on 12/18/2006 10:55:43 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: lower_middle-class_dad

Here is a way to say thank you to a random serviceman serving his/her country overseas. I snet out a few of these already, but wouldn't it be great to send hundreds of these form supportive Freepers?

It is free and it is easy:

www.LetsSayThanks.com


259 posted on 12/18/2006 10:56:22 AM PST by lower_middle-class_dad (Freedom is never free!)
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To: Hatteras
I'm kinda hoping for a Saints vs. Chargers matchup in the Super Bowl.

I beg to disagree. Not only do I not wish to see the 'Aints and the Bolts, but I think a Bears-Colts matchup would be fun and a Great Superbowl...Colts 24-Bears 14...

260 posted on 12/18/2006 10:56:51 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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