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Is Obama the new 'black'? (Is He Really An African-American?)
LA Times ^ | 17 December 2006 | Gregory Rodgriguez

Posted on 12/17/2006 9:02:23 AM PST by shrinkermd

The possible presidential candidacy of the biracial senator has sparked an illuminating debate on race.

WE KNOW this: Barack Obama is a rising star. He's a powerful speaker and a gifted writer. He is the only African American serving in the U.S. Senate. But is he black?

That's what New York Daily News columnist Stanley Crouch asked last month, and his answer was decidedly "no." No, Crouch wasn't just employing the old "blacker than thou" canard. Nor was he concerned with the fact that Obama was raised by his white mother. Rather, he was treating blackness not just as a racial (shared biology) identity but as an ethnic (shared historical experience) one. And isn't that what the switch of terms from "black" to "African American" was all about?

Think back to the late 1980s, when the Rev. Jesse Jackson became the most prominent black to call for the adoption of the term African American. "Just as we were called colored, but were not that," he said, "and then Negro, but not that, to be called black is just as baseless…. Every ethnic group in this country has a reference to some land base, some historical cultural base. African Americans have hit that level of maturity." The problem, of course, is that most black Americans are descendants of slaves who had their African cultural heritage brutally stripped from them.

What Crouch is arguing is that what the majority of black Americans share is their ancestors' experience as human chattel, brought to these shores in the grips of chains. Slavery and segregation not only forged a rigid racial line between black and white but created a shared ethnic experience. For Crouch, the fact that Obama's father — whom Obama met only once — was a black Kenyan...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: bhobama; bisexual; gayamerican; iraqosama; metrosexual; prezcandidate; race
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The LA times has become a "born again" newspaper since the previous editor left.

This is a great article with great points. Among them:

"...The difference between now and then, of course, is the element of choice. Barack Obama does not remind Americans of the racial divide or of the chains that first created it. Instead, he points to an alternative history that Americans have never been able to achieve. "Symbolically, Obama's parentage is the founding couple that America never accepted," said Werner Sollors, who teaches African American literature at Harvard.

"Crouch is right: Obama does not remind us of this nation's original sin. But he does remind us of an opportunity that we as a nation are continually missing.

Last paragraph may be over the top depending on one's perspective; however, it is reached by reason not emotion. But living White Americans are not responsible for what others did 150 plus years ago; again, guilting White people has not and will not solve the problem. It even isn't race that makes for the Black underclass, it is the same values and behaviors that makes the White underclass of the UK its mirror image.

1 posted on 12/17/2006 9:02:25 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Are either of his parents from Africa?

If not, then he is an American.

That was easy.


2 posted on 12/17/2006 9:04:44 AM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: shrinkermd

if a white man born in South Africa becomes a U.S. citizen,does that make him an African-American?


3 posted on 12/17/2006 9:05:05 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: shrinkermd

for affimative action purposes?


4 posted on 12/17/2006 9:06:36 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: shooter223
if a white man born in South Africa becomes a U.S. citizen,does that make him an African-American?

Ask Teresa Kerry. She called herself African American during the 2004 campaign because of where she's originally from.

5 posted on 12/17/2006 9:08:34 AM PST by rightandproud
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To: shooter223

'.....if a white man born in South Africa becomes a U.S. citizen,does that make him an African-American?....",p>
He'd be a white Afican-American; unlike the black guy. i'm so confused.


6 posted on 12/17/2006 9:09:15 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: shrinkermd

He's a "Big-Eared American"


7 posted on 12/17/2006 9:09:31 AM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: shooter223
if a white man born in South Africa becomes a U.S. citizen,does that make him an African-American?

Probably not since according to the Socialist left, a white person born in this country is not considered to be a Native American. It's a DemocRAT labeling thing.

8 posted on 12/17/2006 9:10:29 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I hope nobody "offends" me today.)
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To: shrinkermd

what do pelosi, kennedy, obama, clinton a, clinton b, gore etc. have in common?
there all the same skin color: radical left wing socialist liberals.


9 posted on 12/17/2006 9:11:31 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: Xenalyte

From Wikipedia: "Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama Sr. of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas."


10 posted on 12/17/2006 9:12:53 AM PST by AmishDude (I coined "Senator Ass" to describe Jim Webb. He may have already used it as a character in a novel.)
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To: BenLurkin

Yes, the "Big Ears" resulted in Maureen Dowd being chastised by Barack. Apparently, she caved or Pinch had her cave since not one peep since. She is quite capable of sliming any Republican including POTUS but she can't even comment on a RAT with big ears.


11 posted on 12/17/2006 9:15:53 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Another annoying politics-to-fashion speak analogy. Curtains, makeover, etc - blech!


12 posted on 12/17/2006 9:15:59 AM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Xenalyte

Last line..... "Obama's father — whom Obama met only once — was a black Kenyan..."


13 posted on 12/17/2006 9:20:03 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: shrinkermd

As I mentioned before I have thought about this topic off and on for some time the following definitions have seemed to arise from the way the terms are used...

Negro - a race. A person like Obama with parents of different races is biracial. He/she is a Negro based on his/her genes.

African-American - A person whose social and cultural values and beliefs are based on the unique (but apparently still developing) amalgam of post-slavery African culture and values and the non-African American culture. Defined by how they live (diet, religion, dress, etc.). He/she is an African-American based on how they live.

Black - A political movement/vision started in the 1960's as a way of focusing voting power in order to achieve political/economic gain. Black-Power was a revolutionary concept that forced the American political leaders to address the needs of both Negroes and African-Americans. It appears to have devolved into a political spoils system with racist over tones similar, ironically, to the segregation system in the Southern states that it helped to end.


14 posted on 12/17/2006 9:20:43 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: shrinkermd
Wasn't he born just after the UFO crash at Roswell New Mexico?


15 posted on 12/17/2006 9:20:46 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: shrinkermd
Is Obama the new Black?

A better question...is Obama the new Muslim?

Obama spent "two years in a Muslim school, then two more in a Catholic school" in Jakarta. At age 10 he was sent back to Hawaii to live with his maternal grandparents so that he could attend the highly-regarded non-sectarian private Punahou School; he entered Punahou in fifth grade and went through high school, graduating in 1979.

16 posted on 12/17/2006 9:22:38 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: shrinkermd
Mixed heritage has it's huge disadvantages. No doubt Obama has suffered much the same as this woman has as a result of her having a black father and white mother. Let's get past these things and accept people just for who they are.


17 posted on 12/17/2006 9:23:57 AM PST by elhombrelibre (A sober Jimmy Carter says what Mel Gibson would only say in a very drunken rant.)
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To: shrinkermd

The guy can't even say "Axt'd", so how he be black?


18 posted on 12/17/2006 9:25:35 AM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: shooter223
I have always held the opinion that the term African-American could only be used properly when referring to someone who was formerly an African citizen who has moved to America and become an American citizen. If they wish to retain their self-identity as both an African and an American, that's fine with me, as long as their loyalty now is purely to America in case of a conflict of interest.

Simply having dark skin or African racial characteristics does not make one an African-American IMHO.

19 posted on 12/17/2006 9:26:53 AM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: BenLurkin

lol


20 posted on 12/17/2006 9:27:39 AM PST by meanie monster (I am not a racist,,I hate everyone equally)
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