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Is Obama the new 'black'? (Is He Really An African-American?)
LA Times ^ | 17 December 2006 | Gregory Rodgriguez

Posted on 12/17/2006 9:02:23 AM PST by shrinkermd

The possible presidential candidacy of the biracial senator has sparked an illuminating debate on race.

WE KNOW this: Barack Obama is a rising star. He's a powerful speaker and a gifted writer. He is the only African American serving in the U.S. Senate. But is he black?

That's what New York Daily News columnist Stanley Crouch asked last month, and his answer was decidedly "no." No, Crouch wasn't just employing the old "blacker than thou" canard. Nor was he concerned with the fact that Obama was raised by his white mother. Rather, he was treating blackness not just as a racial (shared biology) identity but as an ethnic (shared historical experience) one. And isn't that what the switch of terms from "black" to "African American" was all about?

Think back to the late 1980s, when the Rev. Jesse Jackson became the most prominent black to call for the adoption of the term African American. "Just as we were called colored, but were not that," he said, "and then Negro, but not that, to be called black is just as baseless…. Every ethnic group in this country has a reference to some land base, some historical cultural base. African Americans have hit that level of maturity." The problem, of course, is that most black Americans are descendants of slaves who had their African cultural heritage brutally stripped from them.

What Crouch is arguing is that what the majority of black Americans share is their ancestors' experience as human chattel, brought to these shores in the grips of chains. Slavery and segregation not only forged a rigid racial line between black and white but created a shared ethnic experience. For Crouch, the fact that Obama's father — whom Obama met only once — was a black Kenyan...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: bhobama; bisexual; gayamerican; iraqosama; metrosexual; prezcandidate; race
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To: COUNTrecount

Sounds like he's well enough educated to be president. After all, it's unfair to question anything about the man.


21 posted on 12/17/2006 9:27:47 AM PST by elhombrelibre (A sober Jimmy Carter says what Mel Gibson would only say in a very drunken rant.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Never got the Halle Berry obsession. I just don't see it.


22 posted on 12/17/2006 9:28:44 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress

"I just don't see it."

How 'bout them?



23 posted on 12/17/2006 9:31:12 AM PST by Cedric
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To: shooter223
if a white man born in South Africa becomes a U.S. citizen,does that make him an African-American?

I dont know, but it would make him ineligible to be U.S. President.

24 posted on 12/17/2006 9:31:41 AM PST by Inkie (Attn Dems: Loose Lips Sink Ships -- but hey, I guess that's your goal))
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To: rightandproud
Ask Teresa Kerry. She called herself African American during the 2004 campaign because of where she's originally from.

Oh, but there's an important difference there. Blacks are African-American, Theresa is an African American. Do you see what the difference is?

It's sort of like the difference between "colored person" and "person of color".

25 posted on 12/17/2006 9:34:10 AM PST by Fresh Wind (All we are sa-a-a-ying, is give Beast a chance.)
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To: shrinkermd
Is Obama the new 'black'? (Is He Really An African-American?)

Don't know, don't care. He's further proof that anybody can be manufactured into a DemonRat politician. With people like Obama, Carol Mosely Braun, and Slow-Joe Biden being appointed as our "betters", no wonder the country has the problems that it does.

26 posted on 12/17/2006 9:34:36 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: shrinkermd

Halle Berry is not black either, but managed to be a black winner of the Oscar.
Turning their backs on white mothers who raise them to be successful seems to be a common practice among non-blacks who want recognition as black achievers.


27 posted on 12/17/2006 9:34:56 AM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Inkie

must be that pesky Constitution again


28 posted on 12/17/2006 9:35:14 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Xenalyte
Are either of his parents from Africa?

From the article:

"For Crouch, the fact that Obama's father — whom Obama met only once — was a black Kenyan who came to the U.S. to study at Harvard and the University of Hawaii removes him from the traditional black American narrative."

So I guess the answer is 'yes'.

29 posted on 12/17/2006 9:35:36 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (This is my tagline. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: elhombrelibre

oops, I should have read (and looked at the pictures) all the posts before commenting.


30 posted on 12/17/2006 9:36:58 AM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: CheyennePress

Me too. The more the media spouted off about her, the more I tuned out.


31 posted on 12/17/2006 9:37:09 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: elhombrelibre
After all, it's unfair to question anything about the man.

Like his experience ?

32 posted on 12/17/2006 9:39:16 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: shrinkermd

As a black woman, I see Obama as a black or African-American (although I am not a fan of that term). Saying that he is not really black because his ancestors were not American slaves is like saying that someone isn't a real white American unless their ancestors came here on the Mayflower. It doesn't make sense. If he looks black, then he is black. Now, he doesn't have the same heritage as most black people in this country, but that is a different issue.


33 posted on 12/17/2006 9:43:08 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: Xenalyte

One parent (his father) was a Kenyan native, Barack Hussein Obama, the senior. The person we speak of, is actually Barack Hussein Obama, the junior.

His mother is definitely Caucasian, and was born American. So by some twisted stretch of imagination and interpretation, Obama-Osama is "African-American". But he is equally as much a "Muslim-American", and in fact, only the accident of birth (in Hawaii) makes him "American". A legacy, not supported by his upbringing, which was in a Muslim household in Indonesia, where he had a Muslim stepfather (his mother and natural father divorced before Barack was two years old, and his father has since died).

A better description would be "Oreo" because of his half-white ancestry, and the outside only conceals a much different inside. He is recorded as being a member of a Christian church, but that is only protective coloration in his case. A child cannot grow up in the presence of that much Muslim influence in the home without being definitely shaped and molded into that set of mind. For certain, Obama-Osama has never RENOUNCED any ties with Islam, nor do we have a public declaration of devotion to Christianity.

The emptiest suit in America. Or perhaps, the most diabolical Trojan Horse in history.

Things are definitely not as they seem to be with Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.


34 posted on 12/17/2006 9:45:45 AM PST by alloysteel (A battle cry of the Crusaders: "Denique caelum!" (Latin, "Heaven at last!))
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To: shrinkermd

I belive Robert KKK Byrd made it clear.


35 posted on 12/17/2006 9:48:56 AM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: COUNTrecount

Yeah, really not fair. There's no place in presidential politics for questions like that.


36 posted on 12/17/2006 9:49:02 AM PST by elhombrelibre (A sober Jimmy Carter says what Mel Gibson would only say in a very drunken rant.)
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To: COUNTrecount

Yeah, really not fair. There's no place in presidential politics for questions like that.


37 posted on 12/17/2006 9:49:02 AM PST by elhombrelibre (A sober Jimmy Carter says what Mel Gibson would only say in a very drunken rant.)
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To: shrinkermd

His popularity stems from the fact he is hybrid white. He is from nonslave African stock. He is Eddie Murphy in Coming To America.......


38 posted on 12/17/2006 9:51:39 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Rozerem commercials give me nightmares)
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To: elhombrelibre
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39 posted on 12/17/2006 9:52:17 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: ValerieUSA
In this picture, we see the internal strife that a person of mixed heritage deals with. Notice poor Halle has dyed her hair to try to pass herself off as white. It's tragic.


40 posted on 12/17/2006 9:53:45 AM PST by elhombrelibre (A sober Jimmy Carter says what Mel Gibson would only say in a very drunken rant.)
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