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Unbelievable...long article filled with new information about the efforts of the Jame's Kim search.
1 posted on 12/17/2006 6:24:00 AM PST by surfer
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Oregon ping...


2 posted on 12/17/2006 6:26:36 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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These types of roads should be completely closed during the winter.


3 posted on 12/17/2006 6:28:19 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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a search plagued by confusion, gaps in communication, and failures of leadership

I'm thankful for the volunteers and paid employees who put so much effort into rescue attempt. Sorry it wasn't perfect but this look back, with 20/20 hindsight, seeking perfection, and assigning blame is out of place IMHO.

4 posted on 12/17/2006 6:28:40 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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Sad. I hope lessons were learned.

And by the way, the President is NOT responsible. And no, there was no "racism" involved. /s


5 posted on 12/17/2006 6:28:57 AM PST by Libertina
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You know why?

Because ..If you DO SOMETHING, you can be CRITICIZED, and your climb up the career ladder will stop at that rung if you "Make a mistake".

Look at "Doers". Police Military. There are thousands just sitting out there, waiting to critique their every minute moves.

SO.. Mr. Kim went toes up because people in government, especially at the Administration level, have had previous lessons about doing something, and having it not turn out right.

Critics

The galleries are full of critics. They play no ball, they fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down in the arena are the doers. They make mistakes because they try many things. The person who makes no mistakes lacks boldness and the spirit of adventure. He is the one who never tries anything. His is the brake on the wheel of progress. And yet it cannot be truly said he makes no mistakes, because his biggest mistake is the very fact that he tries nothing, does nothing, except criticize those who do things.

General David M. Shoup, 23rd Commandant, USMC

6 posted on 12/17/2006 6:41:59 AM PST by radar101 (LIBERALS = Hypocrisy and Fantasy)
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It's all so sad. When CNS service broke the story about the finding of WMD in Iraq, my lib brother poo-pooed it saying, "Who the heck is CNS anyway?" Since we don't speak anymore, maybe he's read about it now.
8 posted on 12/17/2006 6:59:58 AM PST by AmericaUnite
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I've done some boneheaded things in my life, but I can't imagine taking my family up a road in the mountains during the winter with signs indicating it was impassable and having to move rocks out of the way to get through. Turning back was always an option. I'm sorry he died, but what the hell was he thinking?


15 posted on 12/17/2006 7:12:11 AM PST by KevinB
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So none of it is Kim's fault for utter stupidity?


17 posted on 12/17/2006 7:13:16 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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You have to wonder how a person gets the job of search and rescue coordinator who "gets overwhelmed" by a...search and rescue mission! Why it wouldn't almost immediately occur to you to use heat-seeking search apparatus when looking for people in the wintry hinterlands is almost beyond comprehension.


18 posted on 12/17/2006 7:13:40 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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failures of leadership

Yeah, like taking some backwoods " shortcut " to begin with.

Brilliant !

21 posted on 12/17/2006 7:18:41 AM PST by csvset (Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil & inhumane)
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Many mistakes here on the part of the Kims and the SAR organizers.

I've spent a lot of time in the outdoors, and I'd never go down an unknown Forest Service road at night, in bad weather, and without survival gear in the car. Especially with kids in the back seat.

The SAR problems begin with the lack of a central authority to collect and process all tips and information.


32 posted on 12/17/2006 7:35:25 AM PST by angkor ("Bush needs to decide that the bad guys are going to die" Podhoretz, NY Post, 12/5/06)
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Her direct supervisor, an undersheriff in his last week on the job, said he ignored a late-night call from her about the case because he was watching an Oregon State football game on television.

Well, I'm glad that he had his priorities straight....

34 posted on 12/17/2006 7:45:47 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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Bookmarking for later read.

I have a niggling feeling this could have turned out better. Hindsight, you know.


40 posted on 12/17/2006 7:57:55 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget / SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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"I had no clue John Rachor was in the air until after Kati was found," she said. "No clue." In fact, she said, "I really never felt like I had a handle on the air operation." "I'm not afraid to tell anybody that it was overwhelming -- beyond anything I'd ever handled before," she said.

That pretty much says it all...it's a shame a man paid with his life for Rubrecht's total incompetence.

52 posted on 12/17/2006 8:18:17 AM PST by NittanyLion
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The ultimate question is do you want the people in charge of those rescuing the Kim's in charge of rescuing your family? Even more, our rescue teams are a precious resource. Shouldn't they deserve the best in leadership from the top?

It may have been the Kim's fault for getting lost in the first place, but they did just about everything else right once they realized their circumstances. It appears that those that survived are very lucky that average citizens took an interest in their plight.

53 posted on 12/17/2006 8:18:58 AM PST by TNdandelion
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Wow, an amazing article about the sad and inexcusable mistakes made by the people in charge of SAR. I hope this leads to changes in how they do things!


80 posted on 12/17/2006 10:05:20 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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Oh, Brother. Here we go.

The 6 stages of any project:

1 Enthusiasm

2 Disillusionment

3 Panic

4 Search for the guilty

5 Punishment of the innocent

6 Reward of the non-participants


89 posted on 12/17/2006 11:01:38 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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Don't depend on the government to save you. A Conservative tenant demonstrated throughout history.


102 posted on 12/17/2006 12:45:41 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Defeat the traitor McCain for President. Job #1.)
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I jumped over here from the other thread....thanks for the ping and giving this a thread of it's own.

Thankfully these problems are made known to the general public. It only confirms the fact that if you find yourself in a difficult situation pray that your family and friends do everything possible to help.

This is not only for those lost in the woods or mountains of Oregon..............but even for those just in the hospital or other situations that you don't have complete control over. Someone needs to be watching out for you no matter what the situation is these days. You cannot count completely on those "in charge" or others.

Never go on a trip like the Kims without staying in contact with family every day of your whereabouts.
108 posted on 12/17/2006 1:14:45 PM PST by WestCoastGal (Winners Never Quit!!)
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Searchers failed to exploit vital clues in the hunt for the family of James Kim, including several crucial pieces of evidence that surfaced in the final hours of his life, when he was freezing, alone and lost in the woods.

If only we lived in PERFECT world like the libs and coms promise us.


126 posted on 12/18/2006 6:23:25 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth here Folks.)
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