[ndt]

"Real scientists also don't need to have bureacrats suppress dissent."

Science welcomes dissent as long as you can back it up with evidence.

Industry hires the people that get the job done. No one is looking for ID "scientists" except lawyers and lobbyists.

I'm just waiting for the next shoe to drop, Affirmative Action for ID.

[marsh_of_mists]

Science welcomes dissent as long as you can back it up with evidence.

Science may, but scientists are human beings. How can you be so sure they don't and won't let their innate human flaws get in the way of their ideals of "pure, unbiased science"? I'm just asking here. I really have no stance or much interest in the intelligent design debate one way or the other.

[razorbak]

Abolishing Jim Crow does not equal Affirmative Action.

The Scientific Establishment does not equal Science.

And you don't equal anybody that has a clue.

[RobbyS]

Science welcomes dissent? Maybe "science," but scientists, no. Paradigm change comes because one generation of place-holders is replaced by another. It certainly doesn't happen the way that Francis Bacon thought. Too many people reject evidence that does not support their interest. I

[AnalogReigns]

No one is looking for ID "scientists"...

That's just the point. Show me a scientist with WAY above average credientials...educated at the finest schools, and he won't dare hint that he may believe some elements of ID, for fear of the (fanatical atheist/evolutionist)Richard Dawkins-types who control his job.

When one philosophical belief system controls practically all the public and private institutions of science, we fail at many points to get "science" any more.

"Industry" by the way doesn't hire many scientists to get the job done anyway... that's the engineer's job. Scientists are typically in research; a lions' share done by publically funded institutions and universities. I doubt if Dow Chemical or DuPont could care less what their research scientists think about ID, but MIT sure does--and one doesn't get into industry without first making it in the academy.

ID is always considered a "conservative" cause anyway...why would (ultra-liberal) NPR be interested in showing discrimination against IDers (unless it really exists!) in their beloved public universities?

[Tinian]

"It does me no injury, for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

~~~Thomas Jefferson

Not according to the Smithsonian Institution!