Posted on 12/15/2006 7:13:58 PM PST by Heartofsong83
T.O. judge orders Christmas tree out of lobby Updated Thu. Dec. 14 2006 5:31 PM ET
toronto.ctv.ca
A Toronto judge has ordered a Christmas tree out of a downtown provincial courthouse lobby, saying it's not an appropriate symbol to non-Christians.
The move by Justice Marion Cohen has upset staff, some of whom call the decision stupid and insulting.
Cohen says she understands the small tree has stood in the lobby at 311 Jarvis St. for years during the Christmas season, but in a letter to employees says non-Christians are "confronted" with the artificial decoration, which makes them feel "they are not part of this institution.''
The judge, who oversees administration at the courthouse, said it's inappropriate that a Christian symbol is the first thing visitors see when they enter the building.
A number of Christmas trees are on full display inside other public institutions, including at the Ontario legislature, Toronto City Hall and at Nathan Phillips Square. There are also trees inside the Old City Hall courts.
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty on Thursday slammed the judge's order.
"I think that's unfortunate,'' McGuinty said. "I think it represents a misunderstanding of what we are working so hard to build here in Ontario.'
"We enjoy the wonderful privilege of building a pluralistic and multicultural society.''
The premier said it's unfair to ask people to abandon their traditions, and noted it's important for everybody to learn about and share in each other's celebrations.
"At Queen's Park we celebrated Diwali a few weeks ago, as well at Queen's Park we celebrated Eid. Next week I believe I'm participating in a lighting of the menorah celebration,'' McGuinty said.
"What we're saying is, let's share in those opportunities, let's better understand those celebrations.''
Staff at the Jarvis Street courthouse were unwilling to comment on camera, but told CTV's Janice Golding they are disheartened. One man, who said the tree has been a Christmas tradition for decades, was infuriated when he learned of the decision.
Lawyers who work in the building were also upset and couldn't understand the reasoning.
"There's no reason why a Christmas tree can't be put wherever people want it to be. It's by no means an offense, I believe, to any religion," said Cynthia Mancia.
"I don't know that it falls upon judges to make decisions of that sort anymore than upon any other member of the public," added John Lamont.
There is currently no court or ministry policy that addresses this particular situation. Attorney General Michael Bryant said he'll be speaking to the chief of the Ontario Court of Justice about creating one.
Cohen would not comment on camera.
The tree has since been moved to an administrative corridor off to the side.
The story has triggered a flurry of angry responses from CTV viewers and readers.
Another Christmas incident in 2002 sparked backlash from the public when city hall officials put out a news release calling its giant tree at Nathan Phillips Square a "holiday tree."
Then-mayor Mel Lastman, who is Jewish, ordered staff to call it a Christmas tree. He then introduced a bylaw that prohibits the tree from being given any other name.
With a report from CTV's Janice Golding
Let the judge do this. It's unlikely that leftists will be able to reproduce themselves in the long run.
Actually a nice Nativity scene would be better than a Christmas tree.
No kidding...these activists are just sick...
A Catholic protest group set one up there... http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/dec/06121503.html
There is no free speech in Canada either. Quoting the Bible can end you up in jail in Canada.
[A Toronto judge has ordered a Christmas tree out of a downtown provincial courthouse lobby, saying it's not an appropriate symbol to non-Christians. The move by Justice Marion Cohen has upset staff, some of whom call the decision stupid and insulting.]
They'd better watch that hate speech, too. Calling the decision "stupid" might be offensive to the intellectually handicapped.
Of course, Canada does not have a corner on moron judges; it simply underscores the failure of the system to allow the political dimension in appointing them.
This statement is absurd in the extreme, since the potential "victim" trumps everyone else's right in being able to define a grievance as anything. Unless there is an objective means of defining valid complaints; it is sophistry in the extreme.
The second deadliest threat to Western culture is Political Correctness. Second only to islam.
Awwww, I thought this was a Cowboys thread!
Kidding aside, this is idiotic. I hope the backlash on this is huge.
Only if it makes direct or indirect reference to perverts.
Wasn't there a threat to arrest the Pope if he got too "uppity" during a visit a couple of years ago?
Thank you for the information about the nativity scene. We always had a nativity scene in our hometown and then it got banned. Now the Christmas trees are being taken down - and they're not even religious.
Haven't thousands of our soldiers fought so we could have freedom of religion. What we have now seems to be freedom to ban somebody else's holy days.
I bet if it was a called a "Druid tree" to celebrate the solstice, no one would have complained...
You'd think with a name like Cohen she'd recuse herself.
I didn't hear about that one. It's worse than I thought.
Our town in New Hampshire still puts up a nativity scene (maintained by the Highway Department) in the little park near the library. Then Santa arrives (on a truck provided by the Fire Department). So far, no complaints, although some folks are happily surprised that we still have a nativity scene...
The lady needs to resign. She's just demonstrated she lacks the judgment to make reasonable decisions.
First of all, a Christmas tree is not a Christian symbol.
bump
What? Terrell Owens has a full-time judge assigned to him now? I guess we always knew it would come to that...
So disobey the order. Put the Christmas tree up , don't rant about it and see what happens. It is time to do some civil disobedience on some of these lefty decisions that have no point in accepted law. Enough is enough.
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