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To: Red6
The problem with your argument is that the homosexual agenda "IS" affecting you. Turn on your TV, look at the textbooks teaching your kids about human sexuality, go into a school library and look at the books on families etc. In the 50s you had people that went "fag bashing", which was wrong. The homo should not be punished for being a homo. However, today they have passed the threshold of not being bashed and are openly advocating, advertising, and sticking their "lifestyle" in your face. Every TV show "must" have its token homo and they are always positive role models on the SITCOM (Another example "Durschgehend warme Kueche" I think the show was called). In Germany it's no different than in the US. From your gay parades, to Lilo Wanders, or in schools where they teach that being a homo is normal (more or less), they ARE sticking this into your children's face and yours, like it or not.

This is indeed true. The contemporary "political correctness" in the German society could have been arranged by the Gestapo. We have a quite famous radio moderator here in south-west Germany. His name is "Elmi". He made jokes about the German railway that offered some spechial tickets to the eldery and changed the the slogan into "warme Wochen" (Weeks for fags). In our political correct "dictature" this was enough to kick him out of the Südwestfunk (A state-TV station I have to pay money for).

You are right that Germany is secular. Nevertheless it does not make sense for me that kids have to be encouraged to make a public commitment. Kids need a loving father and a loving mother who stand by their side when it comes to the question what to do or not. You may agree that if such issues are discussed in i.e. a small church, the members usually put much social pressue on those kids to do certain things no matter if they want to or not. A free society consists of the possibility to a free decision. I also agree that sex between 14-year olds is something that should be prevented, but I do not see such public pleges as a suitable mean.

67 posted on 12/15/2006 7:38:15 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

The pledges make liars out of people.

The reason that teenage boys, in the article, have sex later than teenage girls is not male chastity (HA!), it's lack of opportunity. Girls can have sex whenever they want to, but boys? What does a pimply-faced 14 year old have to offer a girl? Not much. They want it - probably more than the girls - but they can't GET it, because the girls are not forthcoming (the girls are hitting it off with the upper-classmen).

So, we can dutifully trot children in and have them say pledges - and even have them MEAN it in all sincerity too - but when the situation presents itself, the offer is made, and the opportunity is there, those pledges get torn to pieces and thrown away. Oh, of course the children SAY that they have honored the pledge. Everyone still lies about sex all the time. (The notion that teenage sex is a "family" matter is ludicrous too. Teenagers do not tell their parents about sex. Quick, go quiz a teenager about masturbation. 100% of teenagers practice that particular "art", and 95% will deny it. Adults can influence children, but the notion that they can really STOP teenagers is, well, as naive now as it was in the days of Romeo and Juliet).


96 posted on 12/15/2006 8:12:47 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
"You are right that Germany is secular. Nevertheless it does not make sense for me that kids have to be encouraged to make a public commitment. "

Why be baptized? Why do soldiers or political figures take a public oath of office? Why do Boy or Girl-scouts have rights of passages?

To profess publicly to live up to certain values may not be the worst thing a young person can do.

What these young people are doing, is publicly committing to something which if you call yourself a Christian is the right thing to do. What they are doing is showing each other and many more out there that if you "choose" to do the right thing, you're not alone. In a world that is sexually exploitive in the media (TV, radio, print), Internet, it's good for a kid to see that he is among thousands who also believe.
143 posted on 12/15/2006 10:56:00 AM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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