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Bill O'Reilly had a segment on this last night. O'Reilly basically contended that winter mountain ascents should be banned because of the possible danger. He didn't like what he called taxpayer assets being spent on the rescue. The man he was interviewing (editor of Outdoor mag, I believe) responded that the rescuers are volunteers and that all kinds of sports and hobbies involve risk. I agree with the Outdoor mag guy.

If you take O'Reilly's position, think of all the sports and hobbies that should be banned because of risk (sky diving, hang gliding, hot air ballooning, football, race car driving, cliff scaling, scuba diving, spelunking... on and on.

O'Reilly was really off the mark on this one.

1 posted on 12/14/2006 9:40:36 AM PST by randita
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The cost of the search is yet to be calculated, although it's probably costing Hood River County between $5,000 and $6,000 a day, said sheriff's Sgt. Gerry Tiffany.


2 posted on 12/14/2006 9:44:58 AM PST by bkepley
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"think of all the sports and hobbies that should be banned because of risk (1.sky diving, 2.hang gliding, 3.hot air ballooning, 4.football, 5.race car driving, cliff scaling, scuba diving, spelunking... on and on"

I agree with you in part. The part where the participant is putting only himself at risk. i.e. 1 thru 5. The other activities require rescuers to put themselves at risk when things go horribly wrong.

If, as you state "fellow club volunteer responders (and the rescue equipment)absorb the costs of these rescues", then they should not be banned.

However, if the circumstances are so dangerous and wrecklessly life threatening - can we ask that participants take all necessary precautions to ensure their own survival?

i.e. Race car drivers have to follow safety checks before being allowed on the track. Sky divers have their chutes and the weather conditions checked.

I wish only success for the rescuers and grieve for the families' nightmare.


3 posted on 12/14/2006 9:56:13 AM PST by sodpoodle (if you can't handle the truth, try satire.)
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The man he was interviewing (editor of Outdoor mag, I believe) responded that the rescuers are volunteers and that all kinds of sports and hobbies involve risk. I agree with the Outdoor mag guy.

I'm not sure about banning winter climbing. I'm all in favor of idiots competing for the Darwin Award. But you know O'Reilly, he's got a quick, snappy answer to all the worlds' problems.

But unless they got a bunch of millionaire retired hobbyists with helicopters just sitting around waiting for some excitement, I doubt that the cost of this will fall solely on volunteer effort.

The survivors should have to pay in full for all rescue expenses, and should have civil liability for the safety of any rescuers who may be injured or killed in the process. Let's face it, this situation was brought on by their collective stupidity and nothing else.

This isn't really like skydiving (which I did for 112 jumps), because you need people to put themselves at risk to rescue you in inclement weather conditions. With skydiving, all you need is a clean-up crew with strong stomachs.

4 posted on 12/14/2006 10:01:05 AM PST by Kenton ("The last time I raped Mother Earth all I got was a bad case of wood ticks")
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Don't ban climbing. Just rescue those who have prepaid for their rescue. Think about it. The participant decides how close to a hospital they will engage in their sport. If they choose to leave the population to go play, fine. Live with the obvious consequences.


6 posted on 12/14/2006 10:39:39 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Life's greatest obstacle is in the mirror.)
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There should be a simple insurance policy that climbers could buy that would cover expenses up to $50,000 a day for 10 days.

If there are 3 guys in the group they could split the premium.


9 posted on 12/14/2006 11:42:25 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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People who purposely engage in such dangerous behavior should pay for their own rescue.
10 posted on 12/14/2006 11:45:05 AM PST by ozzymandus
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I know some folks there, that place lives and breathes outdoor sports and recreation.
Nordic skiing, cross country, wind surfing on the Columbia, hiking and camping.

There wouldn't be more than fifty cents in that part of the world if not for the tourists and sporters.


15 posted on 12/14/2006 4:16:34 PM PST by djf (They have their place. We have our place. WAKE UP!! They want to turn our place into their place!!!)
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And btw, I hope only for the best for them, but as it stands now, it would take a miracle.

The thing that surprises me is they were supposed to be experienced, like I said on another thread, you go above 5000 feet or so this time of year, you're playin Russian Roulette.


16 posted on 12/14/2006 4:22:22 PM PST by djf (They have their place. We have our place. WAKE UP!! They want to turn our place into their place!!!)
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