Mea culpa! Mea culpa! You're right, initially she didn't say all that much other than to give her interpretation/account of what she supposedly actually saw and to state she didn't know whether the 'victim' had been raped or not. If memory serves she also said she didn't know the 'victim' or hadn't met her prior to that night. In effect, she flip-flopped after this statement where she just didn't know to where she was saying a rape did take place and then flip-flopped again to say she (the witness) and the 'victim' had lied. So, initially she did support the 'victim' by lying in her initial statement and then supporting the 'victim's' statement as being true the 2nd time.
This is another straw man. If you were the delivery man and brought the keg, hung around because you though(t)sic more beer could be sold and the party got you to give them an extra keg and then refused to pay for it, it would be simple theft. Not theft of services as you confusingly claimed.
You failed in your reading comprehension of my example. I distinctly said "If you or any frat member lay hands on me because I won't bring in another keg at no charge then it's not simply theft of services, it's assault." Lay hands on someone for their refusal and it's assault. I did not say they got me to give them.
Had she agreed to have sex with someone and any of them been the least bit interested and had sex with her and then blew off paying her, it would be theft of services NOT rape.
They can be interested all they want but if she didn't agree to have sex with any of the other's then they used coercion, they constrained her, they controlled and/or intimidated or threatened (even if a threat wasn't verbalized) her because she didn't consent.
Do you know the definition of rape?
rape1 /reɪp/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[reyp] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, raped, rap·ing.
–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.force
3. statutory rape.
4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.
–verb (used without object) 9. to commit rape.
Check out the word duress. No, here, I'll save you the trouble!
du·ress /dʊˈrɛs, dyʊ-, ˈdʊrɪs, ˈdyʊr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[doo-res, dyoo-, door-is, dyoor-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. compulsion by threat or force; coercion; constraint.
2. Law. such constraint or coercion as will render void a contract or other legal act entered or performed under its influence.
3. forcible restraint, esp. imprisonment.
Well, darn! There's that word I used...constraint and it's being used under the definition of duress which in turn was used under the definition of rape.
So far you've accused me of using strawman arguments, using leftist propaganda (even if you did finally offer the caveat of me not knowing it was leftist propaganda when in actuality there wasn't anything leftist about it), you've twisted my words and have told me I'm wrong. You like to use the word guess which lets you off the hook to an extent as you can always come back to say you weren't being definitely definitive.
If you lay hands on me without my permission and do not immediately stop, you have assaulted me. Assault is a form of duress and can be construed as a non-verbal threat. As I said, rape is about control and violence because there's nothing sexy or sexual about coercion, assault, duress, being constrained and all of the other words I've used in my posts.
There's nothing leftist about any of that.
I am not taking up for the 'victim' in any shape, fashion or form. From the git-go I've expressed I doubted rape took place in this case. I also said I was initially willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Silly me, I do that until concrete facts come in.
In my initial post I asked questions of r9etb because he and I have traded posts in the past on different subjects. I consider him a pretty level-headed poster. You decided to answer me and while I did learn some information from your post I had a problem when you used the word guess about whether a prostitute could be raped or not.