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To: MNJohnnie

Baker repeats that we're not going to win this war militarily. That, Mr. Baker, is because we won't fight the damn thing. Every batallion has an attorney with it. We can't go into mosques. We won't use our power, hence we lose it.


46 posted on 12/10/2006 6:08:25 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: Bahbah

Very true


48 posted on 12/10/2006 6:09:35 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Happy 200th Birthday Robert E. LEE)
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Timmy now playing the Prez's words on Iran, trying to set up the split with Baker/Hamilton.

Hamilton repeats that Syria and Iran can be helpful by doing some things and not doing others. How do you solve problems with people unless you talk to them, asks Hamilton.

Timmy points out that the Prez authorized them to speak to reps of Iran and Syria. Repeats the nonsense that Iran helped with Afganistan so why not here. There are lots of answers to that, Mr. Baker.

Baker going on and on about what Syria must do. He's going into his whinny tone. I hope the Saudis are paying him well for being willing to make a fool of himself.


53 posted on 12/10/2006 6:13:40 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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Absolutely false. Another example of what happens when your "Blue Ribbon Commission" spends more time talking to Junk Media "Journalists" then people who actually KNOW what they are talking about. We have and DO take out Mosques when we need to. Here is something I posted awhile ago. I will repeat it here. This is why Counter Insurgency is so painful for the Conventional Military to deal with. It is a form of limited war that falls short of Total War yet requires more violence then a typical police force can manage.

This is one of the political aspects of the problem that Conventional Military thinkers find so hard to deal with.

For example Al Sadr. Al Sadr is a clever little thug. He walks right up to the line but he does not cross it. He is typical of the sorts of messy little problems that crop up in a Counter Insurgency. NOT exactly and enemy not exactly an ally. So how you deal with him is troublesome. Since Malki and Al Sadr are both Shia, Malki cannot squish him without splitting his own power base. So he keeps trying to negotiate with the twit. Frankly, I think with the terrorists mostly broken now is the time to break the militias. Maliki is simply making a mistake here. What we need was the excuse and Al-Sadr's threats to launch a coup would of been the perfect excuse we needed to kill him and break his "Mahdi Army".

Unfortunately as usual the Arab way kicks in again. Talk,talk,talk,talk,talk,talk and more talk. Someone needs to sit Maliki down and speak truth to him. I am hoping that is what President Bush is coming out to tell him.

Here how Counter Insurgency done the Dinocon way would look.

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Americans: Yo, all you Iraqis. Now we know you all have been oppressed and terrorized by Saddam and his goons for about 40 years so we came over here to show you a better way. So gather round and we are going to teach you this thing called Democracy. We want to teach you this cause we figure if we get can get enough of you following this ideology you will not follow the ideology that preaches it is a good thing to fly airplanes into buildings full of our Civilians.

Now the first things you need to learn is this part about the Rule of Law. Study the sub chapters on Innocent until prove Guilty, Trial by Jury, Right to Legal Representation and really important, the chapter on outlawing Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ok, now while you do that, we are going to arbitrarily round up and kill any Iraqis who we think maybe have ever talked mean about us.

What? No we are not going to bother with any of that messy Democracy stuff cause we are at war. And according to our Holloweird Movie guide to Military Action flicks any time you are at war you can waste anyone who pisses you off for what ever reason you want any way you want to do it. According to Hollyweird, we don't need nothing like proof or nothing we can just go wack that little Al Sadr freak cause he pisses us off. Evidence? We don't need no stinkin' evidence. Our action movie heros never bother with any evidence. In the Movie we watch on TV says we are just suppose to go kill him because he pisses us off so that what we want to do here. Now quit talking back and learn our lessons on Democracy.

Iraqi 1. Hey Mahmoud, why are we helping these clowns?

Iraqi 2. What do you mean Achmed, they got rid of Saddam!

Iraqi 1. They did? Looks to me like they just took his place.

Iraqi 2. Well ya so?

Iraqi 1. Well at least the old thugs were from around here. These guys are not only from out of town they are not even Muslims. We may has well have Muslim thugs if we got to have thugs.

Iraqi 2. You right, time to join the Jihad!

That is what this "Counter Insurgency doctrine as learned from watching Rambo Movies" would produce. It is utter stupidity but forget trying to penetrate the Dinocons welded shut minds. They are too busy screaming their group think on Iraq to actually LEARN anything about Iraq.
82 posted on 12/10/2006 6:33:00 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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