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To: DoughtyOne
Early on this thread I expressed the opinion that society should not interfere with homosexual couples who wanted to adopt. That being said, I do think there are severe negative implications for this being accepted across the board. I have expressed my concerns. You have refused to discuss the issue with honesty.

I have been nothing but honest with you, but you didn't like or agree with my honesty and you delved into personal attacks.

Regarding your views on society, you have the right to those views, but you don't have the right to impose your views on others, that is not your place now, or ever.

You think children will be exposed to detrimental situations as a result of homosexual adoption, ok, fine, that is your opinion, but I fail to see the similar outrage for kids adopted into a male/female household that is abusive. You seem to want to use this argument only one way.

Will the children pay? Who knows? If were to run a wide statistical sample of kids raised by all possibilites (gay/straight/adopted/non adopted/unwed/wed), then we might have some actual data. But there are bad parents out there, gay, straight, wed and unwed, the point is YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE IT.

So, you are free to have an opinion, but you must realize that your opinion is rapidly becoming a marginalized one. Times change, opinions change, life and society change, get used to it.

426 posted on 12/09/2006 12:24:52 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Yes, society has changed in many ways. I'm sure you agree with all of them. I'm sure you are silent on all of them.

Society does have a vested interest in what is accepted as the norm. I gave you and example of a behavior that would not be accepted and you simply refused to admit that there were instances when society should step in.

Look, that's okay. I don't mind if you won't admit reality.

I am not arguing that society should step in at this time. I am simply stating that there will be consequences. This is something you're having difficulting in understanding.


438 posted on 12/09/2006 12:30:05 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

It has some relevance to the adoption issue. It has some relevance to whether a gay couple can have a child via a surrogate egg donor, and surrogate female (now someone else for obvious reasons) to serve as the womb. That is the subject of the law arena. All of it is totally legal in California, and in that one respect at least, my state has it right. But I need and will get around to trying to find some data. None of that has so far appeared on this thread. This thread needs completion.


447 posted on 12/09/2006 12:35:33 AM PST by Torie
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To: Central Scrutiniser
You think children will be exposed to detrimental situations as a result of homosexual adoption, ok, fine, that is your opinion, but I fail to see the similar outrage for kids adopted into a male/female household that is abusive.

Good lord, man, what rock have you been hiding under? There are scads of abuse stories in every news source -- people in Maine get to hear about a case of abuse in Oregon, and vice versa. It's on every talk show. Oprah makes it a particular concern, as do many other talk hosts, from Dr. Phil to Jerry Springer. You just like to argue; doesn't matter if you have anything accurate to say. Try to edit yourself to what you know you know; not just what you wish were true.

553 posted on 12/09/2006 2:48:42 AM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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