[nopardons]

A "turkey baster" ( and FYI...basters are used to bast turkey, chicken, beef, lamb, and whatever else can be and is roastable )wasn't used.

There is NO "God given right" for children to be raised by fathers. Throughout recorded history, many children have never known their own fathers because of death due to war and/or disease. Rape or consensual unmarried sexual congress has also kept many fathers out of children's' lives, as has divorce.

Though the concept of teenagehood is the youngest age specific class ( made up in the late thirties/early forties ), childhood, as we all think of it, isn't really all that much older, having been more or less invented in Victorian times and then, ONLY for the upper middle and upper classes!

Children of the upper classes used to be farmed out to others, of the same station, to be raised to be knights, in the Middle Ages, with the poor and lower class' children being shipped off to work in higher class homes as servants. Farm children worked on farms, devoid, more or less of childhoods and once the Industrial Revolution hit, they went off to work in mills and mines and sweatshops; as well as being servants and prostitutes and thieves.

Some heterosexuals make terrible parents, so do some homosexuals and lesbians. The reverse is also true.

History is a fascinating subject.......I suggest that you learn some.

[paulat]

WOW!! That is the greatest post I've seen in a LONG time.

I thought I was the only person who understood this:

Though the concept of teenagehood is the youngest age specific class ( made up in the late thirties/early forties ), childhood, as we all think of it, isn't really all that much older, having been more or less invented in Victorian times and then, ONLY for the upper middle and upper classes!

[Albion Wilde]

There is NO "God given right" for children to be raised by fathers. Throughout recorded history, many children have never known their own fathers because of ....

Your anecdotes do not align with the aggregate patterns of behavior and the steady progress of Western civilization towards "spiritual man" and away from "animal man" for 5000 years up until the past 40 years, when elites in the US and Europe starting trying to shove Marxism down everyone's throat.

[Paridel]

I don't really understand your logic.

I hope you don't mind me taking the liberty of attempting to spell it out more clearly.

Throughout history many children's lives have been completely horrific. In fact, many if not most children before the Victorian age lacked anything resembling a childhood. Because of this, research showing that children fare far better when raised in a two parent (that is, two married heterosexual parent) home is irrelevant. Why should societal advancement benefit children?

I think you would also do well to look in a history book. Our declaration of Independence states:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Throughout most of history "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" were not granted the average man. I however would not argue that they are not "God given rights" just because historically they have not existed for many.

History is a fascinating subject.......I suggest that you learn some.

Perhaps research is wrong and kids do OK in a gay home. I could at least consider that argument. The kids be damned though... that one is a tough sell.

-paridel

[TheeOhioInfidel]

"Children of the upper classes used to be farmed out to others, of the same station, to be raised to be knights, in the Middle Ages, with the poor and lower class' children being shipped off to work in higher class homes as servants. Farm children worked on farms, devoid, more or less of childhoods and once the Industrial Revolution hit, they went off to work in mills and mines and sweatshops; as well as being servants and prostitutes and thieves."

And I believe it's God's will for us to evolve past these archaic tradtions of medieval and industrial societies. Capitalism and the Judeo-Christian ethic have helped foster a world in which we can now hope to have functional parents more often than not. I don't see how gay parenting can be justified by the fact that parenting was dysfunctional over the greater course of history. Good points though.