Mary Cheney's Pregnancy Affects Us All

Townhall ^ | December 7, 2006 | Janice Shaw Crouse PhD, Concerned Women for America

[Albion Wilde]

She and her partner are brilliant, and delightful people who are raising their daughters in a very loving and traditional environment. The kids go to the best schools and have as good a life as possible in this country. How are they a threat to you? And if it is, you have some serious character issues that you need to address.

What you and many of the other "ho-hum" FReepers on this thread don't seem to realize is that once the poster-lesbians like the couple you cite above are used as the model for legalizing gay parenting, you will have the bar-crawling, mixed-up, self-loathing gays who are gay-because-they-were-sexually-abused-as-children adopting children, because it will have been legalized by lawyers pointing to the "brilliant" couples.

[AnalogReigns]

As for all the needy kids in America, I sure don't see a whole pile of conservatives rallying around to put their money where their mouths are and going out and adopting these kids.

Maybe you missed the ground-breaking study (by a liberal social scientist, no less) announced last week, that conservatives, specifically religious conservatives, BY FAR are the most generous doners to all forms of charity, religous or secular. I'm sure the same holds true for adoptions.

[Central Scrutiniser]

Actually, I am an Irish dual citizen.

Scots beat up my ancestors!

[CheyennePress]

"Yep, the world is changing, the gay people that have kids do so by choice, not by mistake. And the ones that go out of their way to adopt really do set a high standard. And, like anything: negative, ill informed sterotypes fall when people see the reality that destroys their bias."

Sorry, I've seen plenty of gay couples with kids. Yes, women in their 50s who left their kids at home when they went to the bar, and then went home with another pair of 30-somethings for a nightcap.

So there is your high standard. One example of many.

I used to be supportive of the idea of gay marriage, of this notion of equality (somehow more prominent in my mind than a traditonal family). And then I actually saw what was going on, saw what our society was accepting as normal, and frankly, when I supported the idea of these gay "rights," I was buying into an uninformed stereotype. No longer. I guess I saw that reality that destroyed my bias.

[Central Scrutiniser]

Donating is one thing, how many kids have you adopted?

[Sunsong]

Your comments imply that heterosexuals don't set high standards,

What is the current divorce rate among heterosexuals?

[Central Scrutiniser]

Oh, and heteros don't leave kids at home and go to the bar?

Britney Spears

[DoughtyOne]

Your comments have betrayed you. You can't put the toothe-paste back in the tube.

You have made glowing remarks about homosexuals who adopt and have cast dispersions on heterosexuals based on some grudge you have with the individual you mentioned.

While I do not think homosexual families should be bothered, I still find that to be a very disgusting lifestyle, especially when it involes innocent children.

You're free to voice support for this all you like, but I'm not going to agree with you and I'm going to say so.

[DoughtyOne]

It doesn't matter. Just because one group of people makes errors, it doesn't excuse compounding the problem by opening up child rearing to homosexuals.

[Central Scrutiniser]

OK, what about a complete hypocrite like Ted Haggard?

He held himself out to be a beacon of what every evangelical should be.

But, he is a fraud.

Guess what? Lots of straight parents are lousy drunken child beating piles of garbage. You have bad people in the world, no matter what their sexual persuasion.

[SteveMcKing]

"And you are arguing for a *right* to a mother and father? No, there are no such *rights*."

One has a right to a mother and a father. Only queers disagree.

[brivette]

I believe turkey basters have certain constitional rights.

[Sunsong]

What you and many of the other "ho-hum" FReepers on this thread don't seem to realize is that once the poster-lesbians like the couple you cite above are used as the model for legalizing gay parenting, you will have the bar-crawling, mixed-up, self-loathing gays who are gay-because-they-were-sexually-abused-as-children adopting children, because it will have been legalized by lawyers pointing to the "brilliant" couples.

Oh gee, and do you think that bar-crawling, mixed-up, self-loathing heterosexuals will be having children for all the wrong reasons and raising mixed-up, dysfunctional children?

[DoughtyOne]

Oh please, everyone knows those types of situations don't exist. Homosexuals set high standards... /s

[Central Scrutiniser]

No, I have made glowing remarks about the lesbian couple that I KNOW. Are there bad parents that are gay? Sure, just as there are bad hetero parents.

You can think all you want about disgusting lifestyles, that is your choice. But its none of your damn business to butt into other's affairs, is it?

[Torie]

The gay men who adopted whom I know, attended the class, and were well liked by the social workers. One is a lawyer, the other an investment banker. The social workers became aware of two siblings in a foster home, that had been labeled unadoptable, due to negative reports from the foster home, but when they met the kids, aged 2 and 4, they seemed like normal kids. But they label could not be changed by the buerorocacy. So they suggested that these two guys become the foster parents, and after 18 months, they could legally adopt them. They did, and the legal adoption happened about a year ago. The foster home they were rescued from was a hell hole, with physical abuse, so says the older kid. But they have an easy temperment.

These two guys are religious, unlike me. The think Christ died for our sins and rose, in a cerebral Episcopalean kind of way. They tried for two yeas to go the surrogate mother route, and the zygote or whateever it is called did not take, so they went the adoption route, and took the class, and got the opportunity and the rest is history. They said they think it was just meant to be, a miracle, that the train of odd events ended up with them being the lukiest guys on the planet, as it were. The one whom I have known for about 20 years, is the happiest I have ever seen him to be. He has a purpose. His life has meaning. As I said, they are wonderful parents. The kids are doing great, and the older one is now pulling down top grades in school.

[GregH]

The foley episode shows clearly that Republicans should stop being so accomodative of gay and lesbian interests and in the process exposing themselves to the political backlash.

The gay perverts played a big role in the election loss, Republicans should simply stop sympathising with gay/lesbian causes and take a strong moral stand against them and their supporters.

[paulat]

Yes, women in their 50s who left their kids at home when they went to the bar, and then went home with another pair of 30-somethings for a nightcap.

You're a liar.

[Albion Wilde]

Yes folks...hetero households are that screwed up in too many cases...I've seen it.

While your statement is true, the statistics are - and will remain - a lower number of screw-ups among the children who grow up with their own married mom and dad than for any other family formation. That is the point here. There are some things it is still too important to allow just anyone to do it, like being a surgeon or a dentist or a married mother and father. They are responsible for raising the next generation of citizens.

Your "arguments" align with the left's -- if people on the right aren't absolutely perfect at marriage/parenting, then absolutely everyone else gets a shot, because "morality is whatever makes you feel good about yourself", regardless of the consequences to others -- in this case, to innocent children who will always, always be in an extreme minority and be "different" in ways no amount of legislation can dislodge.

[Torie]

What is YOUR statistical evidence if you want to go there. I have never seen any negative statistical evidence. Have you?