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Powell on Iraq: 'It looks like, smells like and ... is a civil war'
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | December 7, 2006 | Bill Toland

Posted on 12/08/2006 5:51:40 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia

On the same day that the Iraq Study Group offered its assessment on the deteriorating conditions in the Middle East, former Secretary of State Colin Powell called the conflict a civil war, joining a growing chorus of those who eschew the more benign-sounding "sectarian violence" terminology preferred by the Bush administration.

"It looks like, smells like and, in my judgment, is a civil war," the retired four-star general said last night. "People have argued with me that it shouldn't be called a civil war. Call it what you want, but what I'm looking at on the ground [is] rapidly undercutting the prospects for success" in Iraq.

In the same breath, Mr. Powell also said that the United States needs to make it clear to Iraq's leaders, its military and its police force that they must quickly learn to stand on their own feet, and that the country's fate is up to Iraqis, not America's troops.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: colinpowell; iraq; pittsburgh; pos
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1 posted on 12/08/2006 5:51:43 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Ever since Powell gave that sermon on Affirmative Action at the Republican National Convention he slide way up on my "I have an agenda" meter. Now this. What a weasel!
2 posted on 12/08/2006 5:56:29 AM PST by poobear (Political Left, continually accusing their foes of what THEY themselves do every day.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

He should know, it was his state department policies that caused most of it.....


3 posted on 12/08/2006 5:57:14 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I don't care if it's a friggin' lesbian pillow-fight... we stay until we get the right results!


4 posted on 12/08/2006 5:57:28 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

And Colin Powell is a house servant for the Democrats.

(I can say that, right? I mean, the same sort of language was used to describe Secretary Rice. Damn--It's hard keeping all of these rules straight!)


5 posted on 12/08/2006 6:00:14 AM PST by Arm_Bears (See Rock City!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Powell is right. Stop being a bunch of cowards and admit what has happened.

Besides, how is this bad for the US? Fact is we won the war in Iraq a long time ago. We now have Sunni and Shia fighting each other. I say let them go at it. Most of the Muslim world is Sunni and most of Iran is Shia. Let Iran be the target of Muslim rage instead of the US.
6 posted on 12/08/2006 6:09:02 AM PST by mc6809e
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I'm not as exalted as Colin Powell, but I've read enough history to have a sense of civil wars in general, and I've seen formal definitions. It doesn't seem to me what is going on in Iraq would normally be called a "civil war".

We have all tehse articles in which people say it's a "civil war" usually accompanied by no definition or reason except "it's bad there". IF you have no refined definition for a civil war, why bother to use the term?

These people are just being trendy and playing politics, and that seems reprehensible to me.

All you have to do is look at our own Civil war and others to realize the term is not used for car bombings and terror attacks.

7 posted on 12/08/2006 6:13:00 AM PST by Williams
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To: poobear

I used to like and admire Powell. Not anymore. Sad to see a guy with so much go downhill like this.


8 posted on 12/08/2006 6:14:12 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

For someone as attention-seeking and power hungry as he is, there is something deeply wrong somewhere when he refused the nomination for VP when Bush ran first. But thank God he did refuse. The man is sub-human.


9 posted on 12/08/2006 6:14:38 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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Maybe we ought to pull out, arm both sides, and then kick the winners @ss! Ha!


10 posted on 12/08/2006 6:15:07 AM PST by KodakKing (Freedom isn't free. Just ask any soldier. www.anysoldier.com)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

And the Post-Gazette is frothing over this report and Powell's comments. Stupid left-wing socialist scandal rag.


11 posted on 12/08/2006 6:15:34 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: KodakKing

"Maybe we ought to pull out, arm both sides, and then kick the winners @ss! Ha!"

You know, that is the best idea I have heard in a long time.


12 posted on 12/08/2006 6:19:00 AM PST by mr_hammer (Pro-life, Pro-gun, Pro-military, Pro-borders, Limited Govn't will win in 08!)
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To: twonie

He shilly shallies toooo much. He should STFU


13 posted on 12/08/2006 6:23:32 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
[Powell] offered to give his guidance to Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, or Republican John McCain.

This strikes me as the strangest comment he made. When asked if he has a future in politics, Powell answers that he will only be involved if one of the above asks his advice. Very strange requirement if you ask me.

You know that as soon as McCreep announces, Powell is going to endorse him.

14 posted on 12/08/2006 6:27:03 AM PST by freespirited (The MSM is the root of all evil.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Of course it is a civil war, in the sense that there are no other standing armies from another country trying to conquer the nation. Instead, all are doing it with proxies.

The media likes to get people to say certain phrases. "Civil War" and "Stay the course" are the two hot ones. Example - "Isn't this just more 'stay the course' thinking?"

They have successfully attached baggage to each, and now are playing a game to get people to use the phrases. The word games have reduced the chance for meaningful dialogue by causing everyone to parse words in describing the situation, strategies, and other issues of more real importance than politics and soundbites. A shame, really.


15 posted on 12/08/2006 6:27:28 AM PST by TN4Liberty (Sixty percent of all people understand statistics. The other half are clueless.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; CharlesWayneCT; poobear; Williams
Everybody here ought to know that Iran and Syria are doing their best to cause open civil war in Iraq. Both nation are funding terrorism and strife in Iraq. Al Qaeda is rolling in oil money. There were several news reports yesterday that said private individuals in Saudi Arabia are spending BIG money to fund terrorism in Iraq. The reports said SA is funding the Sunnis. But I suspect they are funding both sides. Civil war in Iraq might even be good for the Saudis in complex terms the west does not understand.

Colin Powell is not to blame for what is happening. Either is George W. Bush. Welcome to the New World Order: Where spoiled little princes with too much oil money and rogue nations can pursue their own private wars with little or no repercussions.

16 posted on 12/08/2006 6:39:21 AM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Sectarian violence just has a nicer ring to it.


17 posted on 12/08/2006 6:42:29 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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"I used to like and admire Powell. Not anymore. Sad to see a guy with so much go downhill like this."

Colon Bowel is a major architect of the current fiasco. As I recall, it was on his advice that Bush41 stopped Schwarzkopf from driving on into Baghdad, destroying the Republican Guard, and putting Saddam Hussein's head on a stake in Gulf War I.

Gulf War II is a DIRECT result of that failure of judgement.

18 posted on 12/08/2006 6:43:44 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Fine it's a civil war. Let's cut, let's run. Let's let the Shia's backed by Iran and the Sunnis backed by the Saudis kill eachother for years.

They may be distracted enough to leave us alone.


19 posted on 12/08/2006 6:44:01 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Rick Santorum in 2008, or 2012 or whenever we get serious about Islamofascism.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I remembered that presumably, the UN did not give the US permission to step into Iraq and like idiots, we listened to them. We only had authority to drive Iraq out of Kuwait. If that's so, I'm not sure what roll Powell played in that, if any. But by not moving into Iraq and taking out Sadaam then, we bought ourselves a whole lotta grief. It was a bad move.


20 posted on 12/08/2006 6:53:50 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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