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Rudy's A Down-Hil Racer In Prez Poll (Marist Poll)
NY Daily News ^ | 12/08/06

Posted on 12/08/2006 5:19:56 AM PST by areafiftyone

Hillary may have the buzz, but Rudy has the better poll numbers - at least for now.

A new WNBC/Marist College survey yesterday found that while Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) is the most popular presidential option among Democrats, a whopping 47% of all voters say they would "definitely not" vote for the former First Lady if she runs for President in 2008.

By contrast, a full two-thirds of voters say they remain open to voting for former Mayor Rudy Giuliani - who would best Clinton, 49% to 43%, if the 2008 race were held today.

The numbers suggest that the Republican Giuliani - whose pre-9/11 record remains a blank to most voters - has room to grow, while Clinton begins with nearly half the electorate aligned against her, experts said.

"The bottom line is that there is very little room for error in a Hillary-for-President campaign," says Marist College pollster Lee Miringoff.

Not that Giuliani is without challenges.

The poll found that while Giuliani remains the top pick among GOP voters, a full 47% of those voters - when told that Giuliani is pro-choice, pro-gun control and pro-gay rights - say such issues could be a "major factor" in their eventual decision.

Aides to Giuliani declined to comment on the numbers, but Clinton pollster Mark Penn argued that Clinton has consistently proven she can expand her base of supporters.

"When she started in New York, many people said they'd never vote for her - and she just won reelection with 67% of the electorate," said Penn.

Originally published on December 8, 2006

YOU CAN READ THE WHOLE MARIST POLL HERE CLICK


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To: Wormwood

I do not believe him, I think he is a pandering liar. His years of action and words against my views on these issues speaks far louder then his pandering ever could.


241 posted on 12/08/2006 9:21:33 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock

Okie doke. Via con dios.


242 posted on 12/08/2006 9:22:45 AM PST by Wormwood (Enjoy this post while it lasts!)
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To: BunnySlippers
>>>>George Bush wasn't much of a fiscal conservative either.

Very good. You got that right. Bush41 was a fiscal liberal, but more cosnervative then his son. Bush 43 is the biggest fiscal liberal we've had as POTUS since LBJ. Both Bush`s are big government Republicans.

243 posted on 12/08/2006 9:23:28 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Hydroshock; areafiftyone
Social conservatives and Evangelicals will not vote for him and they will either stay home or go third party.


Have you ever heard of a psychological malady called "projection" You might want to look into it. It's common on the Internet when there can be an echo chamber effect. The truth is Rudy is ALREADY popular with the base. They may be uncomfortable with his past social views but are more then willing to give him a chance.

Here is a poll of knowledgeable, very conservative Iowa caucus voters who darn well know what Rudy's views are.

http://www.hedgehogreport.com/index.php/6185

Ask areafiftyone ....he has scores of polls reflecting the same thing. YOU and a few malcontents may sit home and pout or vote third party but you don't speak for the base and poll after poll has Rudy in the lead with both the far right and independents. Exactly what we need to retain the Whitehouse.
244 posted on 12/08/2006 9:23:32 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: Hydroshock; areafiftyone
Social conservatives and Evangelicals will not vote for him and they will either stay home or go third party.


Have you ever heard of a psychological malady called "projection" You might want to look into it. It's common on the Internet when there can be an echo chamber effect. The truth is Rudy is ALREADY popular with the base. They may be uncomfortable with his past social views but are more then willing to give him a chance.

Here is a poll of knowledgeable, very conservative Iowa caucus voters who darn well know what Rudy's views are.

http://www.hedgehogreport.com/index.php/6185

Ask areafiftyone ....he has scores of polls reflecting the same thing. YOU and a few malcontents may sit home and pout or vote third party but you don't speak for the base and poll after poll has Rudy in the lead with both the far right and independents. Exactly what we need to retain the Whitehouse.
245 posted on 12/08/2006 9:23:41 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: Hydroshock

How many times do we have to be reminded those are states issues???? Rudy has already said he would appoint strict constitutionalists to the SCOTUS and, in the end. that is what we want in a president... someone who will really fight the WOT, the border issues and a good SCOTUS is my top three and Rudy fits that bill (so far) more than any other candidate when you add in his electability factor.


246 posted on 12/08/2006 9:26:08 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Blackirish

We shall see, but I think that once people really take a look at Rino Rudy his support, what there is of it, will slip. But it still does nto change the fact that I will not vote for him and I am far from alone in that.


247 posted on 12/08/2006 9:26:52 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Wormwood

Actually, we have his actions to go on and they prove his words to be truthful.. wouldn't it be refreshing to have a President who has actually told us what he stands for instead of what he thinks we all want to hear?


248 posted on 12/08/2006 9:27:22 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

They are not state issues to me, they are both in my way of thinking.


249 posted on 12/08/2006 9:27:27 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock

Brownback ain't a very good choice. And neither of 'em are ready to run for the Presidency. Hopefully that can change, but...


250 posted on 12/08/2006 9:28:33 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: Hydroshock

I think you're wrong. In the debates he will come across as likeable and humerous and Hillary will come across as -- well, Hillary.... and people will vote for Rudy in droves.


251 posted on 12/08/2006 9:29:20 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
wouldn't it be refreshing to have a President who has actually told us what he stands for instead of what he thinks we all want to hear?

Don't make me laugh, my lips are chapped. ;-)

252 posted on 12/08/2006 9:29:27 AM PST by Wormwood (Enjoy this post while it lasts!)
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To: Wormwood
>>>>>If I recall correctly, Reagan Man, the Gipper advocated a Big Tent---not ideological purity.

Reagan always advocated inclusion into the Republican Party of any and all Americans who believed in traditional conservative values. However, Reagan was also very clear. Reagan didn't think conservatives should capitulate to the moderates in the GOP, moderates as in, liberals.

Btw, there aren't many true "libertarians" in the GOP. Besides, they have nowhere to go. They know the LP offers them nothing.

253 posted on 12/08/2006 9:30:19 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Hydroshock

Read the constitition... they are States Issues... if this is a litmus test for you then start electing people in your state to do something about it and pray Rudy and not Hillary is elected so we can get a few more SCOTUS to back up your representatives when they pass anti-abortion legislation... but, don't lay it off ont he POTUS... I don't see where George Bush managed to get it abolished, either.


254 posted on 12/08/2006 9:31:10 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Wormwood

Maybe I should have said what his handlers want us to hear. In the past six years the times Bush's polls have risen has been when he actually stepped out from his handlers and talked to the American People instead of reading something to us someone else told him to say. We are not stupid and want that in our POTUS, which is one reason Reagan was so popular, he spoke to us and not at us.


255 posted on 12/08/2006 9:33:12 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Blackirish

Good site, Irish. Thanks.


256 posted on 12/08/2006 9:34:07 AM PST by Tarheel (Do you remember 9/11, do you remember the LEADERSHIP in NYC? Rudy--2008)
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To: Reagan Man

RM, if the poll Neal Boortz is quoting these days is accurate there is only 9% of us Conservatives and a full 32% of Libertarians...and 15% liberals.. leaves 44% who don't know what they are.


257 posted on 12/08/2006 9:34:42 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I disagree, the moer I look at this, the more I am sure Rino Rudy will lose. He will split the base. Yes you need votes in the middle to win, but you also mys shore up your base. Many on the right will not vote for this liberal.


258 posted on 12/08/2006 9:36:04 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Little Ray

Hunter's name seems to be coming up more often.


259 posted on 12/08/2006 9:36:13 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I do not trust a liberal rino to appoint supremes who will oppose abortion. That is one of the reasons I will nto vote for him.


260 posted on 12/08/2006 9:37:16 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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