Posted on 12/08/2006 5:19:56 AM PST by areafiftyone
Hillary may have the buzz, but Rudy has the better poll numbers - at least for now. A new WNBC/Marist College survey yesterday found that while Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) is the most popular presidential option among Democrats, a whopping 47% of all voters say they would "definitely not" vote for the former First Lady if she runs for President in 2008. By contrast, a full two-thirds of voters say they remain open to voting for former Mayor Rudy Giuliani - who would best Clinton, 49% to 43%, if the 2008 race were held today. The numbers suggest that the Republican Giuliani - whose pre-9/11 record remains a blank to most voters - has room to grow, while Clinton begins with nearly half the electorate aligned against her, experts said.
"The bottom line is that there is very little room for error in a Hillary-for-President campaign," says Marist College pollster Lee Miringoff. Not that Giuliani is without challenges. The poll found that while Giuliani remains the top pick among GOP voters, a full 47% of those voters - when told that Giuliani is pro-choice, pro-gun control and pro-gay rights - say such issues could be a "major factor" in their eventual decision. Aides to Giuliani declined to comment on the numbers, but Clinton pollster Mark Penn argued that Clinton has consistently proven she can expand her base of supporters. "When she started in New York, many people said they'd never vote for her - and she just won reelection with 67% of the electorate," said Penn.
Originally published on December 8, 2006
YOU CAN READ THE WHOLE MARIST POLL HERE CLICK
This confirms what many of us have long suspected. Giuliani benefits from the fact that most people don't know much about him. Once they find out he is a liberal, many of them will not vote for him. He's unelectable, even against Hillary Clinton, and would divide and destroy the GOP.
It's odd you describe yourself as very conservative, yet you support rudy. Care to explain that leap of logic?
Starting to sound like a skipping record, you SHOULD stay home, don't vote, you aren't capable of seeing beyond your self righteous rants.
I will not stay home, If Rino Rudy is nominated I will go third party. Along with many if I do not miss my guess. Rino Rudi is unelectable.
I would never vote for Rudy during the primary. He and I disagree on too many social issues. But if he wins the nomination, I will vote for him over any candidate the Dems would put up.
As I have posted before, Rudy spoke to the OU Winter Convocation several years ago. He was AWESOME and had the faculty senate, parents, and students all applauding and giving him standing ovations. Never seen that before in my life at a college function. Pres Boren was the most animated I have ever seen with a speaker.
When Rudy had a heckler who kept yelling when he was removed from Lloyd Noble by OU police, Rudy made light of it that he only had one heckler when he was used to many more in NYC.
He was witty, smart, and tough as nails when it came to terrorist and lawbreakers in his speech. No kumbaya from this man on the people that want to kill us including those that fund them or on people that break criminal law. My kind of candidate who puts the security of our Nation as the #1 priority!
How can I be conservative but support Rudy? Explain?
I will try.
Years ago I used to travel back and forth from California to NYC for business - over Rudy's "reign" - I saw NYC go from a crime ridden city to what it became.
I saw Rudy do the following in NYC:
- Shut down all the porn shops in Times Square - and everywhere else inside the city
- Take welfare and turn it into "work fare" - you want the money earn it.
- He extended tax breaks to almost all existing businesses - and more important to me - he extended tax breaks to new incoming businesses.
- He got the pan-handlers off the streets - they were dangerous, and scary if you remember them?
- He forbid Arafat and his ilk in the city.
I watched a tough SOB take a city that was deemed unleadable - and lead it - and change it - and clean it up.
The feat could only be done by a man who stood his ground and clobbered people over the head on issues he supported.
Look - I understand the gay thing - and the gun rights issues - I get that - but let me try and put it into perspective.
NEW YORK CITY !!!! - it ain't Kansas.
NYC is a world unto itself - it really is. I think you have to speak a lot of time to appreciate how diverse that place is. The whole place is nuts to the rest of America - so many foreign languages - so many foreigners - so many sexual orientations - yep - it's wild.
My point is this.
Rudy led NYC as a conservative - and he did it by embracing NYC residents and all their extremes - he had to - he was Mayor.
Once the campaign begins - everyone will have a chance to hear the man (and the others) talk on their feets - talk about what they beleive - and why. Right now - most people just know what they have been told by others - not what Rudy has to say himself - directly to a national audience.
I have seem the man in person 3 times now - and I am very very impressed with him - prior to 8 months ago - I only knew him from TV or print media - I have sat and listened to him speak - he is very impressive and very open.
Ok?
You should go ahead and make that your tagline. If only to avoid repetitive strain injury.
Finally, someone who gets it.
Have you ever heard of the concept of the double negative and what it really means?
Glad you like it!
GO RUDY GO!!!
Well said, and without insult. Good job.
I just can't vote for a pro-aborion candidate, and the anti-gun part is the icing on the cake.
Ok - that made me laugh.
I respect your rock hard position. Solid
What kind of nutcase school teaches such a thing? Interesting that you have such contempt for a great American state and everyone in it.
Some of our fellow Freeper proud of being from the South. Yet they have contempt for those who are proud of being from the georgeous state of California.
Not very all-American are they?
He probably goes to that school Maria's been talking about! :)
CA - The trailmix state, it is full of fruits, flakes, and nuts. ;)
Contempt was never implied.
I just disagree with the concept of Rudy as President of the United States.
Good for you. I have voted for many GOP candidates even if they are not to my liking. ALL would have been better than their Dim counterparts.
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