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Return fire from the right
LA Times ^ | 8 December 2006 | Greg Miller, Times Staff Writer

Posted on 12/08/2006 4:59:07 AM PST by shrinkermd

Right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh called it "The Iraq Surrender Group."

The conservative New York Post tabloid doctored a front-page photo to depict the co-chairmen of the Iraq Study Group in primate fur, under the headline "Surrender Monkeys," inspired by a frequently quoted line from "The Simpsons."

And conservative commentator William J. Bennett vented in volcanic fashion. "In all my time in Washington I've never seen such smugness, arrogance, or such insufferable moral superiority," Bennett wrote on the National Review website. "Self-congratulatory. Full of itself. Horrible."

Howls of protest echoed across the right side of the political spectrum as conservatives voiced dismay with the findings of the bipartisan Iraq panel, released Wednesday.

The commission's report depicts Iraq as a country sliding into chaos, saying conditions are "grave and deteriorating."

Many conservatives agree with that assessment. But the report's other findings and recommendations, which declare the approach they have backed for nearly four years all but bankrupt, clearly struck a nerve with the most ardent supporters of the war.

That diagnosis has compounded the pain for conservatives who saw voters turn control of both chambers of Congress over to Democrats last month, largely because of mounting frustration with the war in Iraq.

Conservatives were particularly incensed at the study group's recommendation that the United States engage Iraq's neighbors, including Iran and Syria, as part of a broad new diplomatic push to enlist other countries, even those that see themselves as enemies of the United States, to try to solve the Iraq problem.

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"...But conservatives were especially riled by the report's seemingly deliberate omission of any reference to Bush administration ideals, such as spreading democracy across the Islamic world.

"..."It was about as interesting as a small-town phone book," said Danielle Pletka, a vice president of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington think tank, on Fox News. "I was amazed by the report. There were very few concrete suggestions. There were very few deep ideas. And there were very, very few plans for victory."

Nothing more needs to be said

1 posted on 12/08/2006 4:59:11 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Auckminijob likes it!


2 posted on 12/08/2006 5:04:01 AM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran)
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To: shrinkermd
The commission's report depicts Iraq as a country sliding into chaos, saying conditions are "grave and deteriorating."

Many conservatives agree with that assessment.


Not me. Maybe in a few hot spots in the country, but not overall. And if we would blow up a few Arms Depots in Iran, take out Sadr and hang Saddam immediately, Iran and Syria may stop supplying the insurgency. And if not, blow up a few more. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Heard a poll on the radio on my way into work. Said that 71% disagree with how the war is being handled, but the guy reporting the poll made it sound like 71% disagreed with the war. The 71% may be reasonable considering MANY Americans want us to conduct a stronger and more forceful war, not a war conducted on ISG recommendations.
3 posted on 12/08/2006 5:08:47 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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Gee according to the "best and brightest" in the DC Old Boy's Club that made up the Iraq Surrender Group, the solution to all the US National Security issues is to simply buy off anyone who hates us. Simply pay people to like the US. That their "solution" for Iraq.

So what if NK is rattling their saber? We should just find out what they want and buy them off.


Funny how they never ever bother to consider that is exactly what the Clintonites did with North Korean during the 1990s.

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

Winston Churchill

4 posted on 12/08/2006 5:09:49 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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Maybe if there were some Generals or retired Generals on this panel I might take it seriously. I have yet to read in history where a war was won with commissions, but call me crazy.

I also would like to know since when did our government become a publishing company.


5 posted on 12/08/2006 5:10:26 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: shrinkermd

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If we don't finish this now we'll regret it within 10 years.


6 posted on 12/08/2006 5:14:02 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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"Mr. Hitler this is Mr.Chamberlain calling. I would like to sit down with you and have a chat. I have some papers here for both of us to sign. What's that? Munich? Sure I can meet you there. Lunch? Sure we can do lunch and then lets sign these papers."

That sure worked out well didnt it?


7 posted on 12/08/2006 5:21:40 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: shrinkermd

It's not just conservatives, there's a few liberals out there who can't swallow what the ISG was selling. Jeff Greenfield on Imus this morning was pretty nonplused with the report.

My favorite part of what he said was, after Imus asked about Baker saying you had to take ALL the recommendations, Greenfield said so what are you supposed to to when one recommendation is to increase the troops while another says draw down the troops?

He also ridiculed the idea that the way to solve one "intractable" problem was to try to solve two more at the same time (refering to the Israel/Palistinian problem and Jerusalem I presume).

Then I listend to C-Span, and most of the liberals calling hated the ISG report because it didn't really say bring the troops home now.


8 posted on 12/08/2006 5:27:59 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Gee according to the "best and brightest" in the DC Old Boy's Club that made up the Iraq Surrender Group, the solution to all the US National Security issues is to simply buy off anyone who hates us. Simply pay people to like the US.

BINGO! You're so correct!

Isn't that what got us to where we are today in the Middle East in the first place? Isn't that what caused Bin Laden to go after us? Will we never learn?

9 posted on 12/08/2006 5:40:11 AM PST by alicewonders
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And the word "victory" is NEVER MENTIONED in the report!

The military has said that the "report" is a joke and unachievable!

No victory, no success!!!

Semper Fi,
Kelly
10 posted on 12/08/2006 5:52:30 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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11 posted on 12/08/2006 5:56:28 AM PST by radar101 (LIBERALS = Hypocrisy and Fantasy)
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"...But conservatives were especially riled by the report's seemingly deliberate omission of any reference to Bush administration ideals, such as spreading democracy across the Islamic world.

"..."It was about as interesting as a small-town phone book," said Danielle Pletka, a vice president of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington think tank, on Fox News. "I was amazed by the report. There were very few concrete suggestions. There were very few deep ideas. And there were very, very few plans for victory."

But it was bipartisan.

12 posted on 12/08/2006 6:14:42 AM PST by Grammy
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We tried the same thing at the end of Vietnam. We turned the war over to the South Vietnamese Army. They were trying to fight against the North, as well as the Soviet Union and China. This time we'll be forcing the Iraqi Army to fight against Syria and Iran.

The difference is that Vietnam didn't control two thirds of the world's oil.

13 posted on 12/08/2006 6:17:33 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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That sure worked out well didnt it?

Oh yeah. Peace in our time, and all that.

Surrender monkeys always do what? Surrender.

14 posted on 12/08/2006 7:36:22 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Long Island Pete

This document is the product of cowards or traitors or both. Savage nailed it though. Their formula for Mideast peace is to throw Israel to the wolves. Expect to hear a rising chorus from these anti-Semites in the months to come.

These cowards, traitors, fools, and charlatans are going to cost millions of lives in the not so distant future for "peace in our time". I spit on them and all their "partners for peace"!


15 posted on 12/08/2006 8:08:12 AM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran)
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To: radar101

GREAT TOON...


16 posted on 12/08/2006 8:12:56 AM PST by Hildy ("Death plucks my ear and says - LIVE - I am coming.....")
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To: radar101

GREAT TOON...


17 posted on 12/08/2006 8:12:57 AM PST by Hildy ("Death plucks my ear and says - LIVE - I am coming.....")
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To: claudiustg

I cant bring myself to take Savage seriously these days. I think he is a pseudo-conservative. He found a way to make money and thats it. I dont like the fact that he has gotten friendly with Schumer and I dont like the donations he made.


18 posted on 12/08/2006 8:28:59 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: CharlesWayneCT

"Then I listend to C-Span, and most of the liberals calling hated the ISG report because it didn't really say bring the troops home now."

As an engineer, I can tell you that from my experience, nothing that is "designed by committee" ever turns out well.

That's why we need LEADERS.


19 posted on 12/08/2006 9:22:09 AM PST by EEDUDE
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"I think he is a pseudo-conservative."


I think he's insane.


20 posted on 12/08/2006 9:24:53 AM PST by EEDUDE
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