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Poll: Election Troubles for Hillary, Giuliani
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Posted on 12/07/2006 9:05:42 PM PST by Nascardude

Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is popular within her party but could have trouble winning the presidency, according to a poll that also identified potential hurdles within the GOP for former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

The former first lady held a double-digit lead over possible rivals in the survey released Thursday by Marist College's Institute for Public Opinion. Clinton, who has taken steps suggesting a 2008 bid, had the support of 33 percent of Democrats to 14 percent for former Sen. John Edwards.

Former Vice President Al Gore was at 13 percent and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama 12 percent. Other Democrats were in single digits.

Still, Clinton remains a polarizing figure, Forty-seven percent of registered voters said they would definitely not consider voting for the New York senator. Twenty-five percent said they definitely would consider voting for her while 28 percent said they would possibly consider it.

Giuliani and Sen. John McCain of Arizona led the GOP field, with 24 percent favoring Giuliani and 23 percent backing McCain. Giuliani and McCain each led Clinton, 49 percent to 43 percent.

But when Republicans were informed that Giuliani is "a pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay rights Republican," 47 percent said those traditionally liberal positions would be a major factor in determining how they voted while just 22 percent said they would not be a factor.

Conservative voters hold considerable sway in the Republican presidential primaries.

"For Hillary, it is: She is acceptable to Democrats, but is she electable?" said Marist's Lee Miringoff. "For Rudy, he's electable; but is he acceptable" to Republicans deciding the nomination?"

The poll of 967 registered voters was conducted Nov. 27-Dec. 3 and has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.


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To: Sabramerican

If you are opposed to a ban, you are in favor of the practice.
"States Rights" is suddenly Rudy's way out of painting himself into a liberal corner, eh?

As I recall, "States Rights" was the code term for racist bigots in the South, used by Democrats. Is that now what the Giuliani people are trying to promote?

It's wrong to kill babies in the womb, so if we call it "States' Rights" we can get away with abortion?


41 posted on 12/08/2006 7:58:16 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Sabramerican
Look at the bright side, at least they're here. They could instead be at a soldier's funeral shouting "God hates fags.

I expect they will resort to that if Rudy gets the nod.

42 posted on 12/08/2006 7:58:17 AM PST by veronica (http://images20.fotki.com/v360/photos/1/106521/3848737/gladysPSCP-vi.jpg)
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To: TommyDale
If Rino Rudy gets the nod we will lose in 2008. He will split the base of the party. Social conservatives and Evangelicals will stay home or go third party.
43 posted on 12/08/2006 8:00:33 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Sabramerican
"Giuliani does not support gay marriage, never has."

Rudy Giuliani supports homosexual rights, civil unions, signed a generous domestic partnership bill as mayor, and famously lived with two homosexual men.

44 posted on 12/08/2006 8:06:52 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: TommyDale
and famously lived with two homosexual men.

Can you picture the orgies....and does it excite you?

45 posted on 12/08/2006 8:17:55 AM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: TommyDale


46 posted on 12/08/2006 8:25:20 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: doug from upland
Watch for Tancredo as a third party candidate. Hillary could get elected with 40%.

I'm telling you right now, if the choices are:

Hillary (D)
Giuliani (R)
Tancredo (I)

I would vote for Tancredo without even the slightest second-thought or guilt.

And I'm sure there are at least 10-15 million others who would do likewise. And this fact is precisely what the media is counting on. They're evil. They're not stupid.
47 posted on 12/08/2006 8:31:31 AM PST by Antoninus ("Dealing with the pampered and effeminate Americans will be easy." --Osama bin Laden)
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To: Sabramerican
"Can you picture the orgies....and does it excite you?"

Like most normal Americans, it repulses me. Those of you who defend the homosexual agenda are the ones to be pitied.

48 posted on 12/08/2006 8:37:44 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Sabramerican

Just remember, Rudy is the one with the lisp.


49 posted on 12/08/2006 8:38:58 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Sabramerican; Liz

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16762

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.


50 posted on 12/08/2006 8:46:38 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Sabramerican

http://www.acuactionnet.net/rinoobstruction.html

Check this out to see where you stand with these folks.


51 posted on 12/08/2006 8:49:17 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: TommyDale

Are you repulsed more by tall gays or short gays? Husky or thin? Indoor or outdoor?

How hard are you driven by your repulsion?

If it repulsed you, it wouldn't consume your every thought.


52 posted on 12/08/2006 8:50:42 AM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: Sabramerican

Good question...the posts are postively frightening and I fear for this Country more than I ever have. If we don't make the WOT the number one priority next election, nothing else will matter...why can't people see that?


53 posted on 12/08/2006 8:55:26 AM PST by Hildy ("Death plucks my ear and says - LIVE - I am coming.....")
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To: Sabramerican

I don't think about it, except when people like you try to force the homosexual agenda on everyone else. You actually seem to be the one who is consumed by the idea. Is there something you would like to tell everyone at FreeRepublic?


54 posted on 12/08/2006 8:57:40 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: TommyDale

Rudy digging himself out of the gay marriage mess he got himself in.

55 posted on 12/08/2006 8:58:15 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: Liz

LOL!


56 posted on 12/08/2006 8:59:01 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: veronica

I don't think Reagan was looking for a conservative future presidential candidate when he appointed Guiliani Associate AG back in '81. Was probably more concerned with finding a guy who could prosecute Mafia bosses.


57 posted on 12/08/2006 9:00:06 AM PST by VirginiaConstitutionalist
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
Was probably more concerned with finding a guy who could prosecute Mafia bosses.

In other words Reagan may have been more socially Conservative but he recognized that Rudy had the skills to crush the bad guys. Which makes Rudy perfect to go after the Islamofascists, in the opinion of many, many people.

58 posted on 12/08/2006 9:05:59 AM PST by veronica (http://images20.fotki.com/v360/photos/1/106521/3848737/gladysPSCP-vi.jpg)
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To: TommyDale
I don't think about it, except when people like you

I'm flattered. But, alas, I'm not consumed by the same thoughts that consume you.

59 posted on 12/08/2006 9:08:24 AM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: Hildy
Good question...the posts are postively frightening and I fear for this Country more than I ever have. If we don't make the WOT the number one priority next election, nothing else will matter...why can't people see that?

Well you know, Rudy is a sinner while these types are holier-than-thou. Holy and righteous!


60 posted on 12/08/2006 9:08:32 AM PST by veronica (http://images20.fotki.com/v360/photos/1/106521/3848737/gladysPSCP-vi.jpg)
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