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Our dental system in crisis (UK socialized health care failure)
Norwich Evening News ^ | 05 December 2006 10:29 | Sarah Hall

Posted on 12/07/2006 8:22:56 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s

Our dental system in crisis

SARAH HALL 05 December 2006 10:29

NHS dentistry in Norfolk has reached crisis point with dentists leaving the profession because they believe quality care is no longer being delivered to patients.

The controversial new dental contract, introduced in April this year, has caused dentists and patients to go private over fears the cost of dental appointments would rise and patients would be seen less often.

Figures from the Strategic Health Authority show 27 out of 143 dental contracts offered in the county were rejected - but that number is set to rise in the coming months.

Under the new contracts a check-up will rise from £5 to £15.50 and the price of a single filling will rise from between £6 and £11 to £42.40.

There are fears this could mean many more patients being forced to pay for private treatment and the end of NHS dentistry.

Jason Stokes, from the John G Plummer dental practice in Dussindale, is part of the Norfolk dental committee and is leaving the NHS after 15 years.

He said: “Following the implementation of the new contract in April, I do not see a future for the highest quality dental care under the NHS. This is why I am leaving the practice.

“The new system for providing dental care

was forced on the general public, dental profession

and PCTs with little or no consultation.

“Since April 1, every patient, dentist and PCT in England is testing this new system, and the early signs are not encouraging.

“Unfortunately the PCT has a large budget deficit and needs to save money. There has been discussion of lowering the value paid to dentists for their NHS activity (measured in Units of Dental Activity - UDAs).

“With the ever-spiralling costs of new equipment, employing suitably qualified staff, keeping up to date with the latest techniques and ensuring a dental practice complies with cross-infection guidelines, the cost of providing dental care is escalating way above inflation.”

Mr Stokes will move to a private practice in Cathedral Street in Norwich.

Figures from the Health and Social Care Information Centre nationally show the number of NHS dentists fell from 21,211 on March 31 to 19,642 on June 30 this year - a drop of 1,649. The reforms were supposed to improve access for dentists who were described as working on a “treadmill” under the old system.

As reported in the Evening News, children who need orthodontic treatment are being forced to wait more than three years because of a shortage of funding and specialist dentists.

Nick Stolls from Oasis dental practice in Harleston, who serves on the local dental committee, said: “A lot of dentists who showed their unhappiness with the new contract left the profession at the start. We are now seeing the next batch who are realising they might not stick with it.”

A spokesman for Norfolk PCT said: “If we find that more dentists leave then we will advertise again using the released contract money to pay for new services.

“We would hope that any dentist who was experiencing difficulties in respect of their contract would talk to us about their concerns.”

Ü Call NHS direct on 0845 46 47 to find out where local NHS practices are and how to get in touch with them.

Ü Have you had problems finding a dentist? Contact Sarah Hall on 01603 772443 or e-mail sarah.hall2@archant.co.uk


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: dental; hillarycare; medicine; socialism; socializedmedicine
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I shouldn't be, but I am still amazed by my liberal friends that refuse to believe government run health care in England is anything but a success.

One [well educated] friend of mine claims he has heard nothing negative about it. Except, of course, from right wing extremists such as myself. Patients spending their stays in the hospital on gurneys in the hall? Nah, conservative horror tales made up to scare children.

1 posted on 12/07/2006 8:22:58 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s
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2 posted on 12/07/2006 8:23:48 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Dental system in England? Who knew?


3 posted on 12/07/2006 8:24:28 PM PST by null and void (To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone. --Reba McEntire)
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Yeah Baby!

4 posted on 12/07/2006 8:44:59 PM PST by glennherman (Just another evil right wing extremist!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

When I lived in the UK I was very pleased with my National Health Dentist and Orthodontist. I paid him cash and my wife received about 3000 dollars of work for about a 1000 dollars. She went to the front of the line. Capitalism at work in the dark corners of socialized medicine.


5 posted on 12/07/2006 8:55:03 PM PST by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash and proud of it, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast)
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One [well educated] friend of mine claims he has heard nothing negative about it...Tell him to read the book "Lives at Risk" by Goodman, Musgrave, and Herrick - unless he doesn't want his prejudices destroyed by facts...

From the Afterword of the book: "Our survey of national health insurance in countries around the world provides convincing evidence that government control of health care usually makes citizens worse off. When health care is free at the point of consumption, rationing by waiting is inevitable. Government control of the health care system makes the rationing problem worse as governments attempt to slow the use of services by limiting access to modern medical technology. Under government management, both efficiency and quality of patient care steadily deteriorate."

(Tell him an Ivy League Ph.D. put you on to the book).......

6 posted on 12/07/2006 8:55:16 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The British have a crisis in dental care??? I can't believe that! (/s)


7 posted on 12/07/2006 9:01:36 PM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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unless he doesn't want his prejudices destroyed by facts...

Ah, the perpetual fly in the ointment. Facts. Not just his prejudices, but his entire world view are at risk. That's why libs deny the existance of facts such as these. Facts would destroy the foundation of their entire belief system.

8 posted on 12/07/2006 9:02:36 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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No gratuitous British dental jokes to offer, unfortunately.

This from the nation that gave the world Adam Smith.


9 posted on 12/07/2006 9:05:40 PM PST by IslandJeff (FR mail me to be added to the Type I Diabetes ping list)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Granted that it won't do any good, but after he finishes "Lives at Risk" he might spend a little time reading NHS Blog Doctor, http://nhsblogdoc.blogspot.com/.


10 posted on 12/07/2006 9:34:36 PM PST by cosine
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Look at California's MediCal system to see the same problems this report states are occurring in Britain. Providers have left. There are no services to speak of. But the bureaucrats are still there. They get paid whether anyone gets served or not. Its a disaster! The flight of providers is why Hillary care discussed making it a crime to get treatment outside the system.
11 posted on 12/07/2006 9:37:19 PM PST by raftguide
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They tried to make all physicians in one of the Canadian provinces do ER time or else--lose ability to practice or whatever. There is a huge doctor shortage in Canada. Leaving aside the fact that an ER run by a dermatologist is likely to kill someone who needs high end trauma care, they found it a tad difficult to force physicians to work.

Someone smart enough to be a doc is smart enough to find jobs that actually pay.


12 posted on 12/07/2006 9:49:00 PM PST by cosine
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so you are saying that the more people we deny health insurance and services by making it so expensive that only the well off can afford it, the better the care is?

that sounds like the cruelest form of social darwinism---the survival of the richest


13 posted on 12/07/2006 9:50:39 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I'm sure the socialist response will be to ban all private practice.


14 posted on 12/07/2006 9:56:07 PM PST by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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Works every time LOL

Another way of jumping queues to see a consultant is to pay for the initial consultation and see him within days.

Then after this he transfers you back into the NHS for the actual treatment and of course because you saw him privately he puts in front of the queue.

Maybe morally wrong but especially if like my dad a low priority being over 70 it is the only way to get quick action.
15 posted on 12/08/2006 3:57:17 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME))
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In a way it is true in a way not. Gradually the NHS subsidy has been reducing year by year and very few dental surgeries are taking NHS patients on.

If you miss an appointment or do not ensure that you are registered and re-register every 6 months then your registration lapses and you have to go on the waiting list for NHS registration and in the meantime pay the dentist privately.

Other dentists say they cannot earn a living on the NHS so more and more are just private dentists.

I have a fear of dentists and I have had several refuse to treat me on the NHS and have been forced to go privately because I take too long on each appointment by the time they have convinced me to open my mouth.

The last bill I had was something in total covering a treatment course of about 10 appointments 1800 dollars.
16 posted on 12/08/2006 4:01:30 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME))
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To: cosine
Our doctors are raking it in most of them have private clinics in private hospitals one I know even has his own private clinic.

In addition to that he is the local NHS heart consultant on a very nice NHS salary he has at least one if not 2 holiday homes abroad and I dare say at least 2 in this country.

I am not criticizing him he is using the system to his advantage and working hard as well a very nice man in fact as as side note he is a Persian does not like to be called an Iranian.
17 posted on 12/08/2006 4:04:47 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME))
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That about sums up the situation in Britain especially if you are over 70.

My father to jump queues often sees the consultant privately first and then because he has gone this route the consultant somehow magically manages to transfer him back into the NHS ahead of the queue. In other words money talks.

In most cases care received on the NHS is good like all things it depends on who gives it but that would be same for a private system the main problem is waiting and also closure of wards because the hospitals are not making money. Yes in our socialized system the NHS hospitals are expected not just to break even but make money.
18 posted on 12/08/2006 4:08:03 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME))
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To: AlaskaErik

No way they are making too much money out of it. Our local NHS hospital runs private clinics and if you want a MRI scan and do not want to wait in line for months pay the NHS and like dad have it within days.


19 posted on 12/08/2006 4:09:18 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME))
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The flight of providers is why Hillary care discussed making it a crime to get treatment outside the system.

You stuck a nerve. I have for a long time wanted to hear someone call Hillary (and Bill) on their failure to implement their highly proclaimed HealthCare system. I beleive that their proposal of free health care was the single most important factor contributing to his winning the presidency. They could just as well have run on a platform of "No more War - World Peace, etc".

20 posted on 12/08/2006 4:15:23 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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