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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Thursday December 7th
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 12-07-2006

Posted on 12/07/2006 8:49:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie

http://billroggio.com/archives/2006/12/the_military_and_the.php

The Military and The Media

The divide grows

FALLUJAH, IRAQ: I've completed the first leg of the journey to Iraq, after having moved through Dubai, Kuwait and Baghdad. I am now at Camp Fallujah. While in Fallujah, I'll embed with a Marine Police Transition Team (PTT) and also meet with the Civil Affairs Group. The next stop will be Ramadi.

The trip - from my front door to Fallujah - took 3 ½ days, accounting for the 8 hour time shift between the East Coast and Iraq. This is remarkable considering Iraq is a war zone. I spent all of 35 minutes in the Green Zone getting my ID badge and another two hours waiting for a flight to Fallujah. Most of the time was spent waiting at military airbases, trying to catch that next flight out on a plane or helicopter.

During my movement to Fallujah, I was on 3 bases and one camp: At Ali Al Salem (Kuwait), BIAP (Baghdad International Airport), Camp Stryker, and LZ Washington (inside the Green Zone).

The travel is long, and it can be boring if you let it get to you. But you're surrounded by a bunch of soldiers, Marines and contractors that are also traveling, many of them alone. They are either coming back from or going on leave, or moving into or out of the region. Most of them are quite friendly and happy to strike up a conversation. This is an interesting time to speak to them, because they are not as engrossed in the daily grind of Iraq as they are when I see them while I'm embedded. Here is a brief overview of some of the discussions I had with those I met while shuttling around Kuwait and Iraq.

Ali Al Salem:

At the transient tent (where you get to sleep and store your gear while waiting), I spoke to an Explosive Ordinance and Demolitions (EOD) contractor. These are the guys that blow up the leftover explosives and munitions from the Saddam era. He told me about how the media isn't telling the full story about the nature of the enemy, and specifically complained about the manipulation and distortion of the Kay report. He said he's run across bunkers and the equipment and chemical precursors to WMD buried in the deserts of western Iraq.

During a smoke break, an Army private discussed his time in Balad. He said mortars (which are blind-fired) are the greatest threat his unit faces. Not IEDs, I asked? Nope. While waiting to board the flight to BIAP, a Marine Major complained about how the progress in western Iraq has virtually gone unnoticed, and was furious over the characterization of the Devlin report on Anbar province. I gave him my card.

BIAP:

I had the pleasure being the only person on the shuttle bus from BIAP to Camp Stryker, and the driver, an Army specialist, struck up a conversation with me. I needed a SIM chip for my cell phone so I could call the States and in Iraq, so he took me across the base on some extremely bumpy roads looking for a place that sold them. During the drive, he explained his forays into Sadr City, how the residents were largely hostile to U.S. forces, and some engagements he's encountered. Yet he spoke admirably of the Iraqi people. He said they were hard working and willing to fight, and hoped we wouldn't abandon the Iraqi people.

We couldn't find an open store that sold the SIM chip, so he kindly offered to give me his as he knew I was desperate. I paid him for the card and a little extra to call home. He said he'll get a new card tomorrow.

Camp Stryker:

While waiting to catch the flight to the Green Zone, I spoke to two Army captains, one who works in Civil Affairs, the other with the Military Transition Teams. Both explained how the situation could look very different based on your job, but that the Iraqi police and Army were making real progress. They said the Iraqis' skills ranged from poor to excellent, but they always saw improvement.

I also overheard an Army specialist sitting behind me curse the media (and I mean curse), saying they didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Iraq. I talked to him, and explained I'm considered a reporter, and that I won't argue with his points. I made him uncomfortable. Had he known I was 'the press' I think he would have kept it to himself.

LZ Washington:

While waiting to manifest on the flight to Fallujah, CNN played a news segment of President Bush announcing there would be no “graceful exit” from Iraq, and that we'd stay until the mission was complete. Two sergeants in the room cheered. Loudly. They then scoffed at the reports from Baghdad, and jeered the balcony reporting.

In nearly every conversation, the soldiers, Marines and contractors expressed they were upset with the coverage of the war in Iraq in general, and the public perception of the daily situation on the ground. They felt the media was there to sensationalize the news, and several stated some reporters were only interested in “blood and guts.” They freely admitted the obstacles in front of them in Iraq. Most recognized that while we are winning the war on the battlefield, albeit with difficulties in some areas, we are losing the information war. They felt the media had abandoned them.

During each conversation, I was left in the awkward situation of having to explain that while, yes, I am wearing a press badge, I'm not 'one of them.' I used descriptions like 'independent journalist' or 'blogger' in an attempt to separate myself from the pack.

What a terrible situation to be in, having to defend yourself because of your profession. I've always said that the hardest thing about embedding (besides leaving my family) is wearing the badge that says 'PRESS.' That hasn't changed. I hide the badge whenever I can get away with it.

This isn't the first time I encountered this sentiment from the troops. I experienced this attitude from the Marines while I was in western Iraq last year, and the soldiers in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan also expressed frustration with the media's presentation of the war.

Perhaps this tension between the media and the military is nothing new. But it appalls me none the less.


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To: UKRaddell

That joke is as old as WW2...LOL!!!!!


201 posted on 12/07/2006 10:39:49 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jesus is the reason for the season!)
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To: UKRaddell

Well, you may have given us Ozzy but we gave you Madonna and Gwyneth Paltrow. And we gave France Johnny Depp.


202 posted on 12/07/2006 10:39:51 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; rottndog

OK...thanks... that makes sense that it refers to France. LOL


203 posted on 12/07/2006 10:39:53 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Hello


204 posted on 12/07/2006 10:40:18 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Happy 200th Birthday Robert E. LEE)
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To: UKRaddell

Teeheeheehee...

You limies have the best French jokes...


205 posted on 12/07/2006 10:40:23 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Kerretarded
Well mining the roads is not possible. See that is the problem with Counter Insurgency. A lot of normal civilian traffic is carried on along those roads. That would be like trying to mine every road within 10 miles of the US-Canadian border while still allowing regular civilian traffic.
206 posted on 12/07/2006 10:40:24 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Howdy.


207 posted on 12/07/2006 10:40:56 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MNJohnnie

Tx, Johnnie

Rush is working and lurking, again!


208 posted on 12/07/2006 10:41:06 AM PST by HonestConservative (Snowflake, Levinite and eeevildooer, not necessarily in that order.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Nothing is as bad in the UK as it is in France!
We are not overly socialistic in ways France are. (It IS possible to get fired in the UK).

But all British governments are addicted to legislation.
Thatcher, Blair, whoever.
And Brown or Cameron will be exactly the same.


209 posted on 12/07/2006 10:42:19 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: Fawn
It's from the Simpsons television show. Willie the Scottish (elementary school) groundskeeper used it. In the episode it appeared in, about 10 years ago, the teachers went on strike, and the non-faculty had to teach. Willie was teaching the French class. He finally broke down, and referred to the French as "Cheese-eatin' Surrender Monkeys"!
210 posted on 12/07/2006 10:42:24 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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Another Marine Mom..

God bless her and her son.


211 posted on 12/07/2006 10:43:06 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

How about some lunch please?


212 posted on 12/07/2006 10:43:10 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Happy 200th Birthday Robert E. LEE)
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To: Kerretarded

I'd like to give France something worse than Johnny Depp!


213 posted on 12/07/2006 10:43:15 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: UKRaddell

Hello


214 posted on 12/07/2006 10:43:54 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Happy 200th Birthday Robert E. LEE)
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To: MarkLevinFan; Fawn

It's from a Simpsons' episode.

The teachers in Springfield Elementary School go on strike, and the local townspeople fill in as substitute teachers. Groundskeeper Willie, the Scottish janitor, is filling in as a substitute for Lisa's French class.

He starts out the class by saying (in his Scottish accent),

"Bonjour, ya cheese eating surrender monkeys!"


215 posted on 12/07/2006 10:44:01 AM PST by guinnessman
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To: MNJohnnie

Hey all! Just stopping in to let you know I aint dead. Hopefully, I'll see you tomorrow!


216 posted on 12/07/2006 10:44:26 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - For a good time visit www.laurelbaptisttemple.org)
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To: UKRaddell

IMO, no money from Government to the media. Separation of Media and State! The New Establishment Clause.


217 posted on 12/07/2006 10:45:05 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

218 posted on 12/07/2006 10:45:05 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: UKRaddell
I'd like to give France something worse than Johnny Depp!

I think they already have a touch of Islamofascism....

It's not like they don't deserve it.
219 posted on 12/07/2006 10:45:19 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Same as MNJ said in the opening ......

1983- Senator Ted Kennedy secretly offered the Soviet KGB assistance in bringing down Ronald Reagan in the upcoming US election. HotAir reported:

John Kerry (left) and Tom Harkin (middle) on their visit to Daniel Ortega, April 1985. The woman is unidentified.

1985- Senator John Kerry and Senator Tom Harkin during the Cold War met with the communist radical Manuel Orgega in Nicaragua. Hacer.org reported:

and then.........

2002- Senator Jay Rockefeller took a trip by himself (his own admission) before the start of the war in Iraq and secretly told Syria who is allied with Saddam Hussein that the United States was going to war with Iraq. From National Review:




220 posted on 12/07/2006 10:45:33 AM PST by malia (President Bush - a man of honor!! clinton as President a man of horror)
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