Posted on 12/07/2006 8:13:33 AM PST by tobyhill
Bush Says Victory in Iraq is Important
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Something you seem not to be able to fathom.
The question is, are you willing to sacrifice 400,000 men to defeat this enemy, or is your nostalgia for WWII selective?
Jeez, what a stupid statement.(go ahead, hit the abuse button)That was a world war, this is a regional war. But, since you asked, if it takes ten times that many to defeat the islamofacist, it would be lives well spent. Do you not see that this is a war between good and evil? The only option we have is to win it. Not too, will lead to subjugation and dhimmitude.
Is it 'conservative' to bash a mission that the troops are signing up for and signing up to go back to in great numbers because they know it is just?
You bring up the faux argument of 'Bush worshippers' to cloud the real issue here.
This phony is regurgitating the views of the left in the name of 'conservatism.'
Is that what you really want to defend?
This comment, unfortunately, demonstrates the ignorance of many of the posters who have no knowledge of history and lack the ability to intelligently discuss issues.
And I'm not going to hit the abuse button you pansy.
If this is a 'regional war' why are people dying in England, Spain, Bali, and the United States........to name only a few.
I'm not the one who can't 'fathom' this war, pph. You want to kill everyone and not have us get killed. A little 'fathoming' missing in that.....
And some time you'll have to explain how a war of good and evil (which I fully understand is going on), can be 'regional.'
Think about it for a while. I've got to go to work, but I'm dying to hear how you explain your 'reasoning' for that one.....
OMG. I cannot believe you cannot detect sarcasm.
You must be a Democratic. You gotta be.
Democratic? Get it?
I haven't watched Animal House as many times as I should have!
My daughter always seems to have a boyfriend who plays guitar. Sometimes this guy will play guitar during a Cowboy game.
My son instantly gets a vision of John Belushi smashing that guy's guitar in Animal House and feels a strong urge to do likewise.
Thus far, he's controlled it ....
The Constitution delegated the war power to Congress because the framers correctly believed no single individual should have the power to go to war.
President Bush told Congress and the American people that Saddam Hussein's nuclear program presented a clear and president danger to the nqtion. Subsequently, we learned that the President accepted this CIA estimate based on a single source, the Iranian agent Chalabi. No weapons of mass destruction were found.
Then the President set forth a new objective of democratizing Iraq. Under U.S. auspices, something called the Iraqi Government of National Unity was inaugurated. Nearly four years later, there is no Iraqi nation because the Shiites and Kurds want no part of it, there is no government and there is no unity. Unfortunately, the 1% of the U.S. population that is shouldering the burden for the war -- service members and their families -- are returning for a third and fourth tour and American soldiers are being killed, including 10 yesterday.
From Pearl Harbor to V-J Day (45 months), Roosevelt built a global coalition trained 16 million troops and shipped 8 million to Europe and the Pacific, evicting the Axis from North Africa, Western Europe and the Western Pacific, and totally defeating Italy, Germany and Japan. Forty-five months after the invasion of Iraq, reasonable people ask: Where's the progress? Americans killed in action: 2,924; wounded in action: 21,921. Financial cost: $319 billion.
Thanks, I'll keep on singin'
If ONLY we were all as smart and knowledgeable as you.
Alas.
The ISG report is the death knell of this war in Iraq. I strongly believe in fighting to win or get out. We were never supposed to live anothe Vietnam again...but the politicals are doing it right now. <.i>
Republicans are turning this into a real friggin Vietname now...we suck. Get our boys out of that shit hole now...until we fight to win, not one life is worth this cesspool. In case you people don't know what is going on here...the GOP elite have given up the fight now.
Keep deluding yourselves. I was a huge supporter of the WOT and the Iraq War. But now it's about a withdrawl. The ISG guarantees it. Either Bush does it, or the Dems will when they have all three houses...
Meanwhile good American boys die while this plays out. Not worth one more life or limb. Face reality guys. Our young men and women deserve better than to be in a conflict that has been written off by the politicos. That's ok for you keyboard commandos sitting in your offices and watching these brave Americans die for a war the politicians are turning into Vietnam. Prepare for "peace with honor" while another 2000 die in the next two years until we leave.
I don't see any of that as defeatist or cut-n-run. I see it as let them fight or get them out. It looks like exasperation on what our 'leaders' are doing.
That's my interpretation anyway.
He has many many times. Are you listening?
If this is true, if he is communicating his message effectively, then why do so many people fell so strongly about the need for a change of course in iraq?
If this plan is correct, and being shared with the American people correctly, then wouldn't it make sense that public opinion would be different?
WRONG. Americans believed that because all democrats have been spewing those "new direction" and "time for a change" propaganda points for a year now. It was very effective but exactly the type of technique used when brainwashing. That alone should give you pause.
As for victory, it has already been won.
We'll have to disagree on these two points.
"If you voted for him, then you should have been aware of his position on that matter. Your fault, not his."
Would you rather I'd have voted for Kerry? Most of us think that Bush should have done something about protecting our borders after 9/11.
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If he means it, he needs to be out there explaining why, every day. Those supporting that position need to hear it, and the many undecided need to decide. He's losing the battle.
Correspondents have a job in war as essential as the military personnel. Fundamentally, public opinion wins wars.
General Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1942
Drama queen.
Ummmm, we're talking about Iraq here. Please, try to keep up.
If it was a single source, why did everyone, including dems, including the UN, including your idol Clinton, believe it as well.
BTW, Roosevelt had the country behind him.
BTW again. We won the Iraq war and did it quickly and easily.
The problem now is that, instead of putting in a benevolent dictator friendly to the US(like the Shah), arming him, and giving him carte blanch to restore order, we had a President who had a vision of establishing a democracy in Iraq.
I believe he wanted to do this for two reasons. One, because he cares about people, even Iraqis, and wanted them to have a democracy. All these cut and run pacifists don't get a rat's rear about them.
The second thing is he thought it would be greatly to our advantage for there to be a thriving democracy in Iraq.
He still thinks this is possible and worthwhile and so do I.
If you are so informed and reasonable, why can't you argue on the basis of facts and not lies and insults?
His problem that he is making the very wrong assumption that President Bush has accepted or is going to accept the surrender terms in Iraq Surrender group report. The President will not do such a thing and he has said it so many times already.
You're singing to the choir here...but, I for one do not believe we're getting a truthful assessment. Let me explain: The president says "we're winning in Iraq," his choice for new SECDEF says "we're not winning but we're not losing," and James Baker, the man he selected for the study group says "Iraq is a grave situation and getting worse every day." So what is the truth? As far as respect for the troops, I have nothing but respect for them as I currently am teaching a lot of them in my current employment position. I have grown close to many of them and seen more than I want to not come back or come back with missing limbs.
...and their Commander in Chief in time of war.
Here's where you and I part company. I had no respect for President Johnson during Vietnam and I had absolutely no respect for President Clinton during Bosnia, Somolia, or any of his other failed adventures. I do not believe it is a requirement that I have to repect the Commander-in-Chief during wartime or at anytime when I don't agree with him (or her as it seems it will be in 2009, thanks to the man who currently runs the WH).
Psst. Here's a clue. Keep it quiet.
The main stream media.
Just because you may be a news junkie and post on FR, don't assume that is true of most people.
Most people get their news on the national news casts, in their daily rags, and from propaganda slyly inserted into entertainment shows.
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