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James Kim, missing in Oregon, found [dead].
CNN Headline News | 12-6-2006

Posted on 12/06/2006 12:25:00 PM PST by Cagey

Just heard on CNN Headline News he was found. Rescue personal saw flashing object and found him. No word of his condition.


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To: Sloth
Surrounded by snow?

Have you ever tried to feed a 7 month old?

Adults find it difficult enough when stranded to melt enough snow to keep hydrated, and they don't need for it to be warm to avoid throwing it up.

181 posted on 12/06/2006 1:07:01 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: djf
As soon as he saw snow on the road, he shoulda backtracked.

Most of us have probably learned that the hard way.... I know I did, once.

182 posted on 12/06/2006 1:07:08 PM PST by r9etb
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To: TET1968

And if Mapquest and other such sites were pressured to post travel advice similar to some of the comments on these threads (such as packing matches, tinder, water, food, etc.).


183 posted on 12/06/2006 1:07:12 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Vote other in the poll.)
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To: Sloth
Surrounded by snow?

It sounds strange but yes. When the temperature drops and the body's temperature drops, it takes energy (heat) to melt the snow for water. Dehydration is a prime killer in winter exposure.

184 posted on 12/06/2006 1:07:15 PM PST by NativeSon
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To: Fawn

You really should stop now.


185 posted on 12/06/2006 1:07:17 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: paulat
Do you know that for a fact?

No. "Likely" is a term of supposition, not fact. We don't know the facts yet.

186 posted on 12/06/2006 1:07:45 PM PST by montag813
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To: Cagey

This is very sad. Thank God his wife and child were saved. Prayers for them both.


187 posted on 12/06/2006 1:07:53 PM PST by Silly (Still being... Silly)
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To: Fawn
They found the wife and kids due to HER ingenuity waving the umbrella.

I wonder if she got that from a reality show.

188 posted on 12/06/2006 1:07:56 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Silly
Children.....
189 posted on 12/06/2006 1:09:14 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Vote other in the poll.)
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To: NinoFan
Oh, I have no doubt that you will.

I will. And in so doing I hope to learn something about what to do, and not to do, in the same situation. It's your choice as to whether or not you'll try to do the same.

190 posted on 12/06/2006 1:09:33 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Moonman62
They found the wife and kids due to HER ingenuity waving the umbrella.

I wonder if she got that from a reality show.

Mary Poppins has a reality show?

I never did hear how they found the mother and kids.

191 posted on 12/06/2006 1:09:51 PM PST by madison10 (There is no trial without God's blessing.)
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To: Fawn

You were mad because after a week+ of no rescues, and watching his children and wife on the brink of dehydration, he made the decision to try to get help. You must be a great quarterback on Mondays...


192 posted on 12/06/2006 1:09:58 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

And sticking with the vehicle.


193 posted on 12/06/2006 1:10:19 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Vote other in the poll.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Eating snow consumes a lot of Calories and lowers body temperature.

And not necessary in this case, if reports of their being able to light a fire are correct.

194 posted on 12/06/2006 1:10:26 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

And Google Earth could designate that area for current imagery..out of respect for one of their own.


195 posted on 12/06/2006 1:10:40 PM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: Cagey

This is so sad. A heroic father. Godspeed.


196 posted on 12/06/2006 1:10:58 PM PST by RDTF (Quote of the year: "Halp us Jon Carry - We R stuck hear n Irak.")
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To: catbertz
Melting the snow with heat is preferable.

Exactly right. I saw a show once where a teenage kid survived overnight on a mountain (Alps in Europe), but he knew to put snow into a water bottle and melt it with his body heat before drinking it. Somehow this is very important so you don't get hypothermia. Not sure why, but it saved him.

197 posted on 12/06/2006 1:11:32 PM PST by Apple Blossom (...around here, city hall is something of a between meals snack.)
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To: verum ago

Had taken extra clothes with him


198 posted on 12/06/2006 1:12:29 PM PST by wordsofearnest (Zachary Taylor s/h finished the job.)
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To: r9etb
And not necessary in this case, if reports of their being able to light a fire are correct.

...and put the snow in what to melt it? The water has to go somewhere. 'Course they could have used a half-burned out tire for a pot, but who thinks about that sort of thing at the time of the event?

199 posted on 12/06/2006 1:12:32 PM PST by madison10 (There is no trial without God's blessing.)
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To: madison10; Sloth
Actually, that's another good point.

The temperature was in the teens.

If you could actually get a 7 month old accustomed to breast milk not to throw up cold water, the cold water would likely hasten hypothermia in such a little body.

And in order to melt enough of the snow for yourself, your 4 year old and the baby, you would have to leave the baby without your body heat as you tried to collect it.

A lot of logistical difficulties.

The only way to melt the snow is your body heat, too, driving down your own temperature.

Plus a handful of snow probably yields less than a teaspoonful of water and a 7 month old probably needs at least 12-16oz daily to function.

200 posted on 12/06/2006 1:12:56 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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