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Not to worry Mark, I didn't turn the AC on all weekend. As to

shut off our engine when idling for longer than 30 seconds and dump the SUV.

Aside from the idiocy of turning the car off every red light, I'm sure someone more knowledgable will be along to comment on the fuel consumption issue. Dump the SUV, you need to move south.

1 posted on 12/04/2006 4:49:47 PM PST by SJackson
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The US is foreign oil dependent by choice. Let's use the world supply first, then our domestic supply. M2C


2 posted on 12/04/2006 4:52:38 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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Turning off the engine at a light is actually a good idea. That technology has been available in JApan for 30 years.


3 posted on 12/04/2006 4:56:33 PM PST by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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I hate the lie Even at the higher end, the well would meet U.S. consumption demands for less than two years.

Same lie about ANWAR. The fail to mention that the 2 year period is if all other sources of oil, both foreign and domestic, are turned off.
4 posted on 12/04/2006 4:56:55 PM PST by MarkeyD (The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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I don't think there is a fuel consumption issue any more. There used to be the myth that it took 45 seconds worth of gas to start a car but I believe that has been debunked.


6 posted on 12/04/2006 4:58:39 PM PST by MarkeyD (The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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I'm so sick and tired of this rampant hippie hysteria. It's sickening. Don't these morons have anything better to do than start scaring a poopulation of people already stressed from war, terrorism, and employment? Sickening. I wish people would jsut shoot thes brats and use their bodies for fertilizer. I'm fed up with doomsday hysterics running the media nad in some worse cases, the country.


9 posted on 12/04/2006 5:03:56 PM PST by Niuhuru
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Conservation is not an energy policy. And no matter how much gas we drill, it won't be enough, and it will still fund our enemies. I'm becoming more and more convinced that we need an initiative to change our electricity to nuclear from NG and our cars to hydrogen. Energy independence is a vital step in the war on terror, especially when terror controls a large chunk of your oil supply.

Make it part of the WOT and force the building of nuclear power plants. Use the Department of Homeland security to get past the NIMBYs that fight the infrastructure tooth and nail.
10 posted on 12/04/2006 5:04:44 PM PST by mysterio
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And please, turn your car off at stoplights.

Tractor can idle

What about all those trucks idling at truck stops?

13 posted on 12/04/2006 5:08:48 PM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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This story has been around since the 1920s. I don't know how many times someone has predicted the end of the oil reserves, it's occurred too many times in my life. What all these predictions ignore is that new reserves are being discovered on a fairly regular basis, plus new technologies allow more oil to be recovered.

I'll worry about it when it happens.


14 posted on 12/04/2006 5:10:54 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Articles like this one claim that "oil" is in short supply, and therefore hydrocarbon fuels will be in short supply.

This is just as silly, ignorant or disingenuous as saying that natural climate change is man's fault, that "climate change" is the same as "Global Warming". Like Peak Oil, this is more about political issues and ideology than about hard facts and hard science.

In truth, the United States is almost awash in hydrocarbons in many diverse forms, such as coal, oil shale and sewage sludge. The *all* can be *converted* in to liquid fuels with existing technologies. The *only issue is cost*.


16 posted on 12/04/2006 5:13:43 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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I'm not about to conserve just to make greenies happy. If oil ran out tomorrow, we have enough oil and coal to gassify that we really don't have to worry. I ani't hanging my hopes on hydrogen, solar or wind.


17 posted on 12/04/2006 5:15:27 PM PST by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
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What is is about these folks? Y'know, I agree with the need to minimize oil consumption, but why do the environmentalists so rarely offer any ideas or insights that are even remotely outside the four corners of their standard socialist rhetoric?

Let's try some different insights. First, let's look at one reason why conserving oil makes sense. Try this reason; it has nothing to do with the environment or hugging trees or saving cute little furry seals. We import most of our oil from countries like Venezuela and what we pay for that oil helps to support cretins like Hugo Chavez. You fill up your tank, you might as well be scratching them a check. I don't like that thought, so I'm going to try to minimize my fuel consumption where I can.

And what is with this fixation with SUV's? I don't like them much personally, but you know what? I don't lie awake at night worrying that somewhere, somehow, someone is driving an Escalade. Why not stress the economics of owning a smaller car? Like the fact they cost less to purchase and cost less to fill up. And what about the simpler ways to save energy that don't take much effort at all, like buying a more efficient washing machine when the old klunker finally gives up the ghost? The new front loaders do a better job of washing your clothes, and save water and energy. Or how about installing compact fluorescents in your house. Net cost, about $3 each.

You know, energy conservation does make sense. But I fear that as long as we have to listen to nothing but environ-socialist rhetoric about energy conservation, what we'll get is 1/2 of the population simply ignoring the message.


19 posted on 12/04/2006 5:21:28 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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The Greens and Democrats are certainly doing something about our undeveloped domestic oil supply. They are putting it all off limits.


20 posted on 12/04/2006 5:27:33 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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This article fails to note the price system will deal with shotages better than conservation laws.


21 posted on 12/04/2006 5:33:07 PM PST by freeforall
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This is more of that "peak oil" nonsense. Whenever anyone mentions Hubbert with reverence as this guy does, it's a big red flag.


30 posted on 12/04/2006 5:48:01 PM PST by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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"Even when you are running for your life, with no fuel supply in sight, people do not make the connection with the fact that their fuel tank contains a finite amount," says Tadeusz W. Patzek, an engineering professor at the University of California-Berkeley.

Talk about hyperbole: I daresay that every motorist is aware that the fuel tank needs to be refilled occasionally.

32 posted on 12/04/2006 5:56:26 PM PST by Logophile
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We have been hearing this kind of talk since the early 1970's. Government will not solve the problem. Free enterprise cannot solve the problem because government rules stand in the way. I don't believe we want to find a real solution. Nobody has the willpower to see anything through.


44 posted on 12/04/2006 6:28:15 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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"an engineering professor at the University of California-Berkeley"

That sttement makes everything below it pure BS!


46 posted on 12/04/2006 6:31:44 PM PST by dalereed
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When I got my Physics degree in the mid-60's I was told that we would run out of oil by 1980.

When I got my law degree in 1992, I was told that we would be out of oil by 2000-2005.

Now, the known oil reserves are estimated to be as much as we have CONSUMED TO DATE!

Problem is, dems will not allow drilling and stifle exploration.
48 posted on 12/04/2006 6:52:31 PM PST by lawdude (The dems see Wal-Mart as a bigger threat to the US than muslim terrorists)
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"Patzek, a recent guest lecturer of the UW Energy Institute, suggests that people must think of the Earth as a bigger tank, which is also finite, and is being drawn down rapidly of its petroleum reserves. "

I wish there was a finite supply of leftist twits.

54 posted on 12/05/2006 1:01:32 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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Even if everybody went to those hybrid cars, the problem would only be delayed by something like three years. If we aren't building nuke plants now we are getting into a classical existential situation.


56 posted on 12/05/2006 2:18:29 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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