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Atheists taking issue with Griswold tradition
Newsday.com ^ | December 2, 2006 | AP Connecticut

Posted on 12/04/2006 10:38:27 AM PST by DogByte6RER

Atheists taking issue with Griswold tradition

December 2, 2006, 2:33 PM EST

GRISWOLD, Conn. -- The Christmas music begins emanating from a local church steeple about this time every year, ushering in the holiday season in this sleepy eastern Connecticut town.

In a tradition that began more than a decade ago, songs such as "America the Beautiful" and "Away in a Manger" are played every hour from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. every day. The music, in the form of chiming bells, flows from a large speaker hidden at the top of Jewett City Baptist Church.

But the sounds of the season are under attack from the state chapter of American Atheists Inc., which wants town officials to stop or change the practice.

The group says in a complaint filed with the town and borough governments that the music is too loud. It is also raising a constitutional issue after learning the borough owns the sound system in the church.

"This is clearly a violation of the separation of church and state," said Dennis Paul Himes, director of the state chapter.

Cynthia Kata, warden of the borough government, disagrees.

"If there is one of the songs that they find offensive, I'll take it off," Kata told The Day of New London. "But I'm not going to get rid of 'Jingle Bells' or 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' because some nut doesn't like it."

It was a decade ago that the borough bought a sound system with some grant money, thinking it would be nice to have church bells ringing along Main Street.

In a deal with the church, the congregation agreed but said it would not be responsible for the equipment or any complaints. The church said it would allow secular music, but "no Elvis."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: aclu; atheists; christmas; holidays; multicult; mutliculturalism; pc; waronchristmas
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"This is clearly a violation of the separation of church and state," said Dennis Paul Himes, director of the state chapter (American Atheists Inc.)

Hmmmmm....this doofus obviously hasn't read the U.S. Constitution.

In Article VII, the U.S. Constitution mentions the Divine Creator in the following:

"The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names"

And of course, the U.S. Constitution also states in the 1st Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

The 14th Amendment makes this 1st Amendment binding upon the states, including the town of Griswold, Connecticut.

Hey atheists, get a clue!

1 posted on 12/04/2006 10:38:29 AM PST by DogByte6RER
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2 posted on 12/04/2006 10:38:56 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

I am for filing a case against the Atheists, Inc and have a court determine THEY are a religion.


3 posted on 12/04/2006 10:41:42 AM PST by griswold3 (I cried when I erased my tagline....)
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4 posted on 12/04/2006 10:43:23 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: DogByte6RER

'little people seeking to become kings'


5 posted on 12/04/2006 10:44:27 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: sionnsar

FYI...I read the headline and thought it was about Frank, then I said to myself..nah..I mean WHAT tradition could he have that anyone would object to?


6 posted on 12/04/2006 10:45:05 AM PST by ken5050
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"This is clearly a violation of the separation of church and state,"

It WOULD be a violation if the STATE told them to stop. It would violate the church's freedom of speech.

Unless like in another place the town received a complaint because the church bells violated the towns noise ordinance.
7 posted on 12/04/2006 10:47:26 AM PST by hophead
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

LOL! Got to it first, I see.


8 posted on 12/04/2006 10:48:01 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: DogByte6RER

Atheism IS a religion. It is as much or more a leap of faith to believe that there is no reason why everything exists, as it is to believe that there is a reason.


9 posted on 12/04/2006 10:48:42 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: ken5050

It's Clark, isn't it?


10 posted on 12/04/2006 10:48:44 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

That was the first Griswold I thought of too!


11 posted on 12/04/2006 10:49:05 AM PST by Spok (What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about?)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Thats what I thought the article was about from the headline....


12 posted on 12/04/2006 10:50:05 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: Larry Lucido
Like say the pledge of allegiance for the blessing???
13 posted on 12/04/2006 10:50:59 AM PST by Perdogg (I'm Perdogg and I approved this message)
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To: DogByte6RER
The legality is important but it is not the reason behind the atheists action. They are part of the left's (Communists) effort to disrupt and confuse our society by destroying all the icons of our country and its history. That includes the religion, sexual conduct, the idea of truth and beauty, American History (accurate AH), world history, our educational base, the relationship between the races, the haves and have nots, men and women, our military, the reputations and intent of the founders, making the Constitution a "living document", defending ourselves, and on and on. Even our language is brought into confusion through the subtle use of linguistic sleigts of hand.

A confused society is easier to subvert than a moral cohesive society and that is their purpose, to change our society so as to take over our government.
14 posted on 12/04/2006 10:53:05 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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"But I'm not going to get rid of 'Jingle Bells' or 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' because some nut doesn't like it."

Wonderfully candid response.

15 posted on 12/04/2006 10:53:17 AM PST by Kenton
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To: DogByte6RER

"Now wait just a dad blamed minute!"

16 posted on 12/04/2006 10:53:49 AM PST by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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"This is clearly a violation of the separation of church and state," said Dennis Paul Himes, director of the state chapter.

Or it would be, if said doctrine actually existed.
17 posted on 12/04/2006 11:00:18 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Consult your doctor before taking tagline. Do not take tagline with alcohol.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Griswold tradition?

18 posted on 12/04/2006 11:04:31 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. That's his name, and words mean things. Think about it.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Definitely a headline that doesn't make one think of a town in Connecticut.


19 posted on 12/04/2006 11:05:03 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. That's his name, and words mean things. Think about it.)
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"This is clearly a violation of the separation of church and state," said Dennis Paul Himes...

Well, no. I might be wrong about this but I can't find Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer or Frosty The Snowman anywhere in scripture. Maybe I should switch to the Revised Standard version?

A violation of the local noise ordinances, maybe. A Consititional issue, no.

20 posted on 12/04/2006 11:08:13 AM PST by Billthedrill
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