Are you an American Louis, I mean, in your heart? 
Posted on 12/04/2006 6:58:29 AM PST by kellynla
Congress will approve an immigration bill that will grant citizenship rights to most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the U.S. after Democrats take control next month, predict both sides on Capitol Hill. While Republicans have been largely splintered on the issue of immigration reform, Democrats have been fairly unified behind the principle that the illegals currently in the country should get citizenship rights without having to first leave the country.
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You don't get it, do you?
This country is run by financial factors, and those "factors" do not allow losing investments to continue.
There are a lot lot reasons to deal with the problem of illegal aliens in our country, but the "cost" of them is not one of them; no matter how much you may try to twist those numbers, the reality is that their overall positive impact on the national economy is positive.
We had amnesty once before in 1986 with Reagan in the WH. The House has been the bulwark against this legislation. In the Senate the Reps voted 32-23 against Hagel-Martinez [Kennedy-McCain]. If we had 40 votes, we could threaten a filibuster.
Are you an American Louis, I mean, in your heart?
"I am stunned that you don't know the answer to that question yourself"
who says I don't. do you know the answer?
btw, I need documentation for your little friend's claim.
That's funny.
That is a self-substantiating fact, more so than these numbers constantly thrown around about the numbers of people we didn't see enter the country.
Here's a clue...there are more illegal aliens than ever in the nation, and the economy is about as solid as it has ever been.
These supposed "costs" that you all keep coming up with seem to be impacting the economy in a positive manner, with the added benefit of keeping the SS system viable.
Of course I know the answer; anybody with any sense knows it.
My "little friend?"
My, my, aren't you the petty one. The way he kicks you around, though, I can understand.
LOL.
You're questioning my being an American based on the fact that I see to think on my own?
Are YOU an American?
Really?
What a nasty thing to say; have you no shame -- or do you just need to "win" any argument with trashy remarks like that.
That is beneath you and your little apple, too.
My credibility is fine, it's you guy's ignorance on a subject that you claim is so important to you that's amazing.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/02/ss_secret_stash.html
Research subjects on something other than propaganda sites on occasion.
Google the words "earnings suspense file illegal aliens" and see what you come up with.
I also would not bring up such arcane issues.
However,its kind of sad that we have to hold our tongues sometimes on such issues.
Example-I had a black friend who was in the locker room at work reading The Bell Curve.He got the thrid degree from another black guy who called him a "sellout"for even having the book in his possession.
The irony is that my friend is a rather ardent black nationalist.He just had heard about the Bell Curve and was intellectually curious enough to seek it out to find out for himself.
Of course,the guy yelling at him had not even READ the book.
Thinking on your own is fine. Thinking against the interests of the nation as a whole is not fine.
sorry, senor the link you posted does not say:
"Illegal aliens dump as much as $7 billion a year into the Federal coffers in the way untraceable SS payments."
But the article you linked does say:
"people using false identities, or names matched with the wrong Social Security Number (SSN), or newlyweds who forgot to register their name changes with the Social Security administration?"
so the SSA has no idea who contributed whether they be an illegal or somebody's dead American grandmother.
try again
Are you upset that I asked him if he was an American in his heart? Can you tell me what you think I mean by it?
Nobody on these threads is doing that, so knock of the hyperbole.
Are you upset that I asked him if he was an American in his heart? Can you tell me what you think I mean by it?
You know damn well I am; and it was extremely out of place for you to ask ANY Freeper that.
Oh wait, that's Fidel I was thinking about, you're here, not there.
Let me clue you in Willie...the beauty of this country is that no one gets to tell me what to think, and we all get an equal voice in deciding what is in her best interest.
Even little dictator wannabes like you.
And you certainly don't get to be the sole judge and jury on the best course of action for anything for everyone.
You don't get to decide, we all get to decide.
"...I live and breathe this Philadelphia freedom..."
"Of course I know the answer?"
so if you know then post it!
waiting...
Post it so you can just call it a lie, just like you did for Louis?
Do you really think the rest of us don't know what your game is?
And if you don't believe that jump in money in that file didn't isn't from illegals, you're dumber than you act.
But I was called a troll or an OBL
Not by me. Posted the same thing and have been flamed. Told people here the same thing and the Hispanics are angry at me. No one wants the truth to go out until it is too late. Stupid Americans.
Are you afraid that you will find an uncomfortable truth out there?
So much so that you will not look at anything other than "safe" sites?
I can't make a blind person see.
In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.
In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.
Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.
"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.
The information is out there: earnings suspense file illegal aliens
Using data from the Census Bureau's current population survey, Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, an advocacy group in Washington that favors more limits on immigration, estimated that 3.8 million households headed by illegal immigrants generated $6.4 billion in Social Security taxes in 2002.
A comparative handful of former illegal immigrant workers who have obtained legal residence have been able to accredit their previous earnings to their new legal Social Security numbers. Mr. Camarota is among those opposed to granting a broad amnesty to illegal immigrants, arguing that, among other things, they might claim Social Security benefits and put further financial stress on the system.
The mismatched W-2's fit like a glove on illegal immigrants' known geographic distribution and the patchwork of jobs they typically hold. An audit found that more than half of the 100 employers filing the most earnings reports with false Social Security numbers from 1997 through 2001 came from just three states: California, Texas and Illinois. According to an analysis by the Government Accountability Office, about 17 percent of the businesses with inaccurate W-2's were restaurants, 10 percent were construction companies and 7 percent were farm operations.
Most immigration helps Social Security's finances, because new immigrants tend to be of working age and contribute more than they take from the system. A simulation by Social Security's actuaries found that if net immigration ran at 1.3 million a year instead of the 900,000 in their central assumption, the system's 75-year funding gap would narrow to 1.67 percent of total payroll, from 1.92 percent - savings that come out to half a trillion dollars, valued in today's money.
Illegal immigrants help even more because they will never collect benefits. According to Mr. Goss, without the flow of payroll taxes from wages in the suspense file, the system's long-term funding hole over 75 years would be 10 percent deeper.
Yeah, right; that kind of thing accounts for 50 billion dollars a year.
Who the hell do you think would make enough money to account for that?
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