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Posted on 12/03/2006 2:06:26 PM PST by NapkinUser
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That's true, but that certainly wouldn't stop most politicians from voting for a draft. The reason why a draft won't happen is because it's incompatible with reelection..
Critter Paul, put a bill before the House to do just that. I'd like to see how many back-peddlers come out of the woodwork.
Half true. There are a very limited number of people that are true warriors. But a true warrior can kill a hundred non-warriors in battle. And it is based in genetics and talent far more than it is in training.
One of the great myths of the modern era is that you can train a non-warrior to be a warrior. This is false. A trained non-warrior will almost always lose to a real warrior in battle. Technology really doesn't change things much.
Fortunately, the way our modern military is composed, non-warriors outnumber warriors 15 to 1. Non-warriors are just fine supporting warriors. And this is where a draft comes in.
You can draft as many non-warriors as you like to support your warriors, just as long as you don't try and make them fight. If you do, they are cannon fodder.
But your warriors you have to entice into service. And while they cannot be trained to be warriors, they can be trained to be *better* warriors. If you go to war with enough warriors in combat roles, you will do okay in battle.
The trick is to distinguish the two. If you know someone is a non-warrior, then don't waste their time training them with things they could never do as well as a warrior. Train them instead to be better at supporting the warriors you do have.
Vietnam lasted long enough for a natural segregation between the two to happen. Real warriors ended up at the front and often stayed there, reenlisting to stay with their unit. The non-warriors gravitated to the rear, or if they were sent forward, didn't last.
So a draft is fine, if it is non-warriors. Just don't expect it to get too many good warriors, because they are few and far between.
"Compulsory national service, whether in the form of military conscription or make-work programs like AmeriCorps, still sells on Capitol Hill. Conscription is wrongly associated with patriotism, when really it represents collectivism and involuntary servitude."
There are plenty of FR (cough - big government bots - cough) who would love nothing better than to turn many of their fellow citizens into their own slave labor force as "it'll do'em some good."
While I agree with Paul's principle this doesn't seem like a good time to make a draft illegal when we have Iran and North Korea breathing down our necks.
I truly believe that over half this country would have to be dragged out from under the bed to fight if we were attacked on a large scale.
We have become a nation of metrosexual whining girlie boys.
Since the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, about 20,000 mercenaries have been hired to work as private security contractors. This figure represents one mercenary for every seven uniformed American soldiers in these regions. With $30 billion spent by the US Government on private security contractors in 2004—its largest expenditure in Iraq after oil and construction—the contractors have found a gold mine in the Latin American market.
"While I agree with Paul's principle this doesn't seem like a good time to make a draft illegal when we have Iran and North Korea breathing down our necks."
I heard somebody on Neal Boortz's radio program ask this question:
"Is America worth defending if it can't even get enough volunteers in it's military to fight for it?"
It's a sobering question.
A draft has it's place but only in a national emergency....not for the reasons that Rangle Dangle wants it. Clinton ruined our military and it's just now starting to build back up. He hated the military because he couldn't control them and they hated him because he didn't respect them. Hillary even hates them more. One thing for sure, if she becomes President, our military will never go to war. They wouldn't trust her.
"...we simply don't have enough soldiers to invade and occupy every country labeled a threat or deemed ripe for regime change."
The USA does not do this.
Sounds like a communist to me. He lost me with that ridiculous comment.
I am against conscription because this is supposed to be a free country.
"But your warriors you have to entice into service."
I know a warrior that was "enticed" by the threat of the draft. He actually enlisted for 2 years initially, which was possible--people called it "volunteering" for the draft.
With a draft in effect, many will go ahead and "volunteer."
Anyway, this warrior spent 37 years, reaching Lt. General. Combat Arms.
A true life instance of the draft "enticing" somebody to enter the service. During wartime, of course.
I favor the draft. If you need the draft, it means you are at war, and need a bigger military.
I believe both are now true.
There are a lot of warriors among the draftees.
I think it would send the wrong message to those who would do us harm, but I'd like to see every member of congress go on record, aye or nay.
Of course I'm one of the few who believes we never should have gotten rid of it in the first place.
Since the hate America first crowd controls K-12 schools, universities, MSM and the popular culture I find it amazing that our armed services regularly meet their recruitment goals.
But, just as Europe is no longer willing to defend itself I suspect we are no more than a generation or two behind. The current uncontested invasion across our southern border is only a prelude, an indication that we are close to abdicating our responsibility to protect this once great nation.
General Shalikashvili and Elvis were drafted around the same time.
I lurk on DU. About half of them support a draft for the America corps-working with the poor, the elderly, etc.
And they want EVERYONE up to the age of 51 to put in 2 years of such crap.
I think the libs would LOVE a draft, but they know it a poison pill until they have a president of their own.
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