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America, Not Keith Ellison, decides what book a congressman takes his oath on
TownHall ^ | Tuesday, November 28, 2006 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 11/30/2006 1:23:15 PM PST by Checkers

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1 posted on 11/30/2006 1:23:17 PM PST by Checkers
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To: Checkers
Forgive me, but America should not give a hoot what Keith Ellison's favorite book is. Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress.

Exactly!

2 posted on 11/30/2006 1:27:03 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: Checkers

what do you bet he gets away with it?


3 posted on 11/30/2006 1:28:02 PM PST by vigilante2 (Thank You Veterans)
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To: Checkers

The drumbeat should be struck up: is Ellison a uniter or a divider? The lapdog press should ask him and his supporters that every hour on the hour; use the Dems' beat-em-down media tactics against them.


4 posted on 11/30/2006 1:30:14 PM PST by relictele
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To: Checkers

Guess he won't be taking office then.


5 posted on 11/30/2006 1:32:56 PM PST by Racer1
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To: Checkers
If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress.

I've never heard or read Prager, but folks have told me he is smart.

I guess they were wrong.

6 posted on 11/30/2006 1:32:57 PM PST by TankerKC (When I think about me, I touch myself.)
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To: Checkers
The thing about this that frosts me is that the book of bound KYBO tickets that he wants to be sworn in on teaches moose limbs that it is proper to LIE to the 'unbelievers' if it furthers the religion. That is pure, unmitigated BS. Swearing in on a book that OKs lying.

Nam Vet

7 posted on 11/30/2006 1:32:57 PM PST by Nam Vet (Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding liberals that stops bright ideas from penetrating.)
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To: Rummyfan
This Prager article has been posted a number of times. It was factually inaccurate the first three times it was posted, and is still factually inaccurate.

There is absolutely no Constitutional requirement for House members or even the President to swear on the Bible when taking his oath of office - while Presidents have traditionally done so, it's not clear that any oath needs to be with one hand on the Bible to qualify as an oath (it likely doesn't), and under the Constitution, office holders can take an affirmation of office of office instead of an oath anyway. In fact, President Teddy Roosevelt didn't swear on the Bible when he became President after McKinley's death in 1901. One simply might not have been available at the time. He still became President. And Franklin Pierce (and according to some historians, Herbert Hoover) affirmed his oath of office instead of swearing it. President Pierce's faith was shaken after he and his wife were involved in a fatal train accident - they saw their own son die before their eyes. Some sources claim Pierce made his affirmation with his hand on a law book, not the Bible.

House members are traditionally sworn in en masse by the Speaker on the first day of Congress immediately after the Speaker of the House is elected and sworn in. The 2005 swearing in ceremony is available on C-SPAN's website here. The Speaker is sworn in around 2:13:30 by the Dean of the House; the rest of Congress is sworn in shortly thereafter.

All Speaker Hastert asked members to do was raise their right hands while being sworn in. As a practical matter, the House floor normally seats 448 (they somehow squeeze in more seats for the State of the Union address), and there are up to 439 other members of the House (including non-voting members from the territories and the Resident Commissioner of Puerto Rico) that need to be sworn in at that time. There isn't that much room on the floor for aides or family members to hold the Bible for Congressmen to swear on. So, as you can see from the video, most Congressmen appear to raise their right hand and put their left hand on nothing, at least during this ceremonial swearing in.

Now, there may be a chance for members to have a ceremonial one-on-one swearing in for photo-op purposes (or if the Member is not present at the opening of Congress or is later elected). For example, Congressman Rothman (D-NJ) has a picture of him being "sworn in" with his hand on what appears to be the Bible on his House website. This is when Ellison might swear on the Koran - for a photo-op.
8 posted on 11/30/2006 1:34:34 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: Checkers

Excellent view from Mr.Prager.


9 posted on 11/30/2006 1:40:14 PM PST by ChiMark
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To: conservative in nyc

While this may anger many, I don't think they have a case.

"The senators and representatives before-mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

So while it might be tradition to swear on the bible, the Consititution does not require it.


10 posted on 11/30/2006 1:40:18 PM PST by TOWER
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To: conservative in nyc

You must be getting tired of having to straighten this out!!


;-)


11 posted on 11/30/2006 1:41:19 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Send Lawyers, Guns And Money *Not Necessarily In That Order*)
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To: Checkers
Does Keith Ellison expect to practice Islamic law while serving as a US Congressman?

Swearing to uphold the laws of the United States of America is done with the Bible. Keith Ellison needs to decide now what law he plans to uphold... if it's Islamic Law, he needs to resign immediately.

12 posted on 11/30/2006 1:43:31 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Checkers

The '08 elections could be interesting in his Congressional district if he becomes too controversial for most people. Then again, look at how many very controversial politicians end up becoming "very safe" for as long as they want to stay in politics? Cynthia McKinney is the only politician that I'm aware of to break such a streak, and she did so by losing her Congressional seat twice!


13 posted on 11/30/2006 1:43:36 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Checkers

I am so glad the democraps are showing their true colors

keep doing more of this for the next two years~!


14 posted on 11/30/2006 1:45:32 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: vigilante2

A few years ago, I couldn't see it being allowed. Now, with the PC crap towards Islam and the Koran, it wouldn't surprise me if the dems tried to enact some new law or rule that allowed it.


15 posted on 11/30/2006 1:45:54 PM PST by RWB Patriot
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He should not be allowed to do so -- not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization

Like it makes one iota of difference.

Unless the author is so delusional he thinks those who have taken oaths with the Bible have never, ever engaged in fraud, deception, theft, etc, etc.

16 posted on 11/30/2006 1:45:59 PM PST by gdani (Save the cheerleader, save the world)
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To: TOWER
While this may anger many, I don't think they have a case.

If pointing out the fact of what Article VI of the Constitution says angers anyone, they simply can't be reasoned with.
17 posted on 11/30/2006 1:46:52 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: Checkers

America doesn't have the guts to make a stand on this.


18 posted on 11/30/2006 1:48:14 PM PST by airborne (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Jesus is the reason for the season!!)
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To: Checkers
Anyone who's watched the first session of a new Congress on CSPAN knows that they all take the oath in the House chambers. None of them have their hands on anything, not a Bible, not a paperback, nothing.

Damn Prager's dumb.

19 posted on 11/30/2006 1:49:53 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rummyfan

The fuss is much ado about nothing. All that's required is either an agreement to swear an oath or affirm it. No person is required to have his hand on any book. He could affirm or swear his oath on a Marvel comic book or a copy of Gone With the Wind or Green Eggs and Ham. Stop the run away irrationality, please.


20 posted on 11/30/2006 1:50:10 PM PST by middie
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