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Tancredo fires back at Fla. guv Colo. congressman accuses Jeb Bush of 'happy talk'
Rocky Mountain News ^ | November 30, 2006 | Tillie Fong

Posted on 11/30/2006 8:30:21 AM PST by Dane

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To: WatchingInAmazement; All
And there is gambling at Ricks.
I never stated or implied that the South Florida area was crime free. And I very specifically stated that there were incidents of Immigration violations.
However not on the alleged grand scale and scheme that has been put forth.

I have no knowledge of "Sanctuary City Status".
I have never heard of any such thing in my more than 34 years in South Florida LE.

If you are saying that local law enforcement authorities should take upon themselves the legal authorities and powers of individual Federal agencies, and in effect enforce the laws that they do not have the authority to enforce and prosecute for offenses they do not have via statute to prosecute, I would say that Tancredo thinking may be catching.
Local LE does not usually check the immigration status ( a specific legal term) of persons they arrest. That is performed AFTER arrest when fingerprints are processed.

You are expecting actions not ordinarily performed in the City of Miami or generally elsewhere.

Selective targeting of individual cases amounting to the low dozens of offenses within a population of millions is a poor tactic to prove that there are needles in haystacks.
No doubt there are.
But not every haystack is made up of needles with a few sheaves of hay thrown in.

Combined Task force activities with municipal police and Federal agencies is an ongoing and successful program.
I was part of such task force activities for many years.
Generally the product of such programs are sucessful and the relations between locals and Feds,with rare exception or clashes based on personal chemistry of individuals, rather good.

I also referred to the HMIO (Haitian migration) in an earlier posting. Nothing new there.
The dates of your examples prove my point. Every metroplex with three or more million souls will have cases of breach of code/law/statute.

What you have shown in your several examples is exactly how little the problem impacts on this community.
Sorry Charlie, better luck next time.
You simply cannot manufacture a problem where one does not exist.
Rep.Tancredo would be better off taking a short vacation and letting his Alligator Mouth cool off, because it is definitely overheating his Hummingbird ass..
61 posted on 11/30/2006 11:32:52 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping Lagavulin and enjoying his Stan Getz CD's".)
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To: popdonnelly

I thought Bush was just sticking up for Florida.
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Well, from a politician's perspective, that IS THE VOTING PUBLIC...his public.


62 posted on 11/30/2006 11:38:10 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Irontank

"Tancredo was responding to Jeb Bush's criticism...of fellow Republican Tancredo"

Yes well, the difference being that Tancredo has criticized the President. Even if necesary to use arguments that are completely senseless, defending GWB IS the reason for their attacks. Miami has absolutely nothing to do with it.


63 posted on 11/30/2006 11:39:35 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Tancredo '08 www.firecoalition.com/www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.com)
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To: Kimberly GG
Tancredo's too smart for that.

Funniest post of the day. Tank = Betamax.

64 posted on 11/30/2006 11:43:24 AM PST by PRND21
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Emma Lazarus a communist? You have something to back that up?

I don't know if she was a communist but she was a member of the Socialist Party USA

65 posted on 11/30/2006 12:23:36 PM PST by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: Kimberly GG; EagleUSA; All

POLL TIME!

http://www.nbc6.net/news/10424626/detail.html

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado, is pointing to Miami as an example of what he calls uncontrolled immigration. World Net Daily quotes Tancredo as saying, "Look at what has happened to Miami. It has become a third world country. You just pick it up and take it and move it someplace, you would never know you're in the United States of America." What do you think about the comments?

Choice Votes Percentage of 1659 Votes

I agree with him. 1215 73%


67 posted on 11/30/2006 12:37:25 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Dane

Tancredo is such a jerk. And a grandstanding jerk, at that. I say this as a Florida resident.


68 posted on 11/30/2006 12:38:41 PM PST by livius
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Exactly why I said "if I be not mistaken". Her sentiments, however, should be removed forthwith from the statue.


69 posted on 11/30/2006 12:39:00 PM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: livius

Thankfully, you're opinion is in the minority.


70 posted on 11/30/2006 1:13:18 PM PST by Kimberly GG (Tancredo '08 www.firecoalition.com/www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.com)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

Done. Agree 1233 73%


71 posted on 11/30/2006 1:15:09 PM PST by Kimberly GG (Tancredo '08 www.firecoalition.com/www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.com)
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To: MNJohnnie

there you go. nice comment.


72 posted on 11/30/2006 1:25:31 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: Youngman442002

You could have used said the same things in NYC or Boston in 1900; you country survived the fact that no IRISH was as common as no WAPs 100 years ago.


73 posted on 11/30/2006 1:29:44 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: twonie
Her sentiments, however, should be removed forthwith from the statue.

Yeah, we don't want any of those "huddled masses" to start "yearning to be free," do we? [/sarcasm]

74 posted on 11/30/2006 1:58:59 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Dane
Tancredo is the Republican equivalent of Charlie Wrangel. He can't keep his mouth shut.
75 posted on 11/30/2006 2:01:08 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Rozerem commercials give me nightmares)
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To: q_an_a
My version of the story.
76 posted on 11/30/2006 2:05:31 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

I agree with him. 1215 73%
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So do I...this country has a MAJOR CATASTROPHIC problem relating to immigration, mainly illegal. Those who deny that, are either vote-seeking pols or just ostriches with their head in the sand.


77 posted on 11/30/2006 2:14:23 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: arbooz
Today's illegals break American laws immediately upon arrival, and never give up allegiance to their country of origin.

Political Attitudes

As noted earlier, two thirds of the Hispanics in the United States are of Mexican origin. For historical and geographic reasons, this is a potential cause for concern. Mexico is the only nation in the world that, at least in the popular mind, has a historical claim on portions of the United States. Mexicans are still bitter over the loss of territory that followed the Mexican-American War, and many believe the United States does not have the moral right to control its own borders.

No fewer than 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, “the territory of the United States’ Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.” Only 28 percent disagree. Likewise, 57 percent agree that “Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without U.S. permission,” while 35 percent disagree.(84)

Perhaps historic resentment helps explain why only 36 percent of Mexicans say they hold a positive view of Americans whereas 84 percent of Americans say they hold a positive view of Mexicans. Seventy-three percent of Mexicans say Americans are racist, and only 16 percent say Americans are honest.(85)

After they come to the United States, Mexicans retain longer and stronger attachments to their country of origin than do immigrants who have come greater distances. Only 34 percent of Mexicans eligible for US citizenship actually become Americans, the lowest figure for any national group.(86)

When they become citizens, Hispanics remain emotionally attached to their countries of origin. In a poll taken by the Pew Hispanic Center, only 33 percent of American citizens of Hispanic origin considered themselves first or only American. Forty-four percent still described themselves as their original, pre-immigration nationality (Mexican, Salvadoran, etc.), and another 22 percent considered themselves first or only “Latino or Hispanic.” Surrounded by compatriots, and with their country of origin just across the border, it is likely that U.S. citizens of Mexican origin identify even less strongly than other Hispanics with the United States. When citizens and non-citizens of Mexican origin are taken together, 55 percent consider themselves Mexican, 25 percent Latino or Hispanic, and only 18 percent American.(87)

It is legitimate to wonder whether it is wise for the United States to welcome large numbers of a potentially irredentist population within its borders, especially when that population is concentrated in those parts of the United States to which Mexicans have an emotional claim. An organization known as MEChA (the Spanish acronym for “Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan”) actively promotes the view that the southern border of the United States is illegitimate, and even flirts with the idea of expelling non-Hispanics from the territories lost by Mexico and establishing an all-Hispanic nation to be known as Aztlan. It has an estimated 400 chapters in universities and high schools, mainly in the American West.(88)

Good Americans?

Many Hispanics are loyal, productive Americans, and there is a definite trend towards assimilation and economic success as Hispanics put down roots. At the same time, it is disturbing to note that assimilation flattens out so that even after three generations, Hispanics are still at a considerable disadvantage compared to the majority population. This is in sharp contrast to Asian immigrants, many of whom surpass white achievement levels after several generations.

At the same time, most Americans believe a citizen’s first identification should be as an American, not as a “Honduran” or a “Latino.” It is not reassuring for non-Hispanics to learn that only one third of Hispanic citizens think of themselves as Americans first. Mexico changed its laws in 1998 to permit dual nationality, which encourages Mexicans to take American citizenship while maintaining Mexican loyalty.(90)

Even staunch advocates for Hispanics recognize that large-scale immigration brings potentially serious problems. Roberto Suro of the Pew Hispanic Center has written that “Latino immigration could become a powerful demographic engine of social fragmentation, discord, and even violence,” (91)

http://www.amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/HispanicsReport.htm

78 posted on 11/30/2006 2:20:02 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Dane

"Weeellllll, Tom Tancredo......"

79 posted on 11/30/2006 2:23:27 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Dane
"Perhaps (Tancredo's) next junket should be to read the inscription on the Statue of Liberty, along with a stop at Ellis Island," (Frank Nero) said

Perhaps Mr. Nero ought to spend less time fantasizing about Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty and more time worrying about enforcing US Laws and the continuing gutting and destruction of America by illegal aliens and multiculturalism crapola?

80 posted on 11/30/2006 2:28:41 PM PST by Gritty (The great strength of "multiculturalism" is it short-circuits the possibility of argument-Mark Steyn)
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