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Home prices drop 17 percent [Florida]
Herald Tribune ^ | 11/29/2006 | Stephen Frater and Michael Pollick

Posted on 11/29/2006 6:44:22 PM PST by ex-Texan

Prices remain the story in home sales, with Sarasota-Bradenton prices falling 18 percent in October, the second biggest drop in the state.

The median sales price in the Sarasota-Bradenton market was $277,900 last month, compared with $340,700 during the same month in booming 2005.

The Charlotte County-North Port market was not far behind, with a drop of 17 percent, from $243,900 to $202,800.

Only Fort Myers-Cape Coral took a bigger fall, posting a 44 percent decline in median sales price, from $445,100 to $249,200, the Florida Association of Realtors reported on Tuesday.

The median is the point where half the homes sold for more and half for less.

Those numbers came against the backdrop of a national decline in sales price of 3.5 percent, to $221,000, the biggest year-over-year drop on record. It marked the third straight month that prices have fallen nationally, the longest stretch on record.

Home price have been declining in Sarasota-Bradenton since June.

Sellers are giving ground on prices, recognizing that in a local and national market flooded with listings, how much you ask for your home is one of the few ways to differentiate yourself from the competition.

"It's often a matter of educating the sellers that in order to move their property, they've got to give on the price," said Brandy Coffey of Sarasota's Good Life Realty.

Many buyers are well-acquainted with that fact.

After looking at about 40 homes in the $800,000 to $1 million range, Craig Aberle and his wife just landed a deal in a south Sarasota golf course community.

The house they are buying was on the market for about a year, and they were able to get it for 20 percent less than the sellers were asking a year ago.

"They wanted to move," said Aberle, who will close before the end of the year. "They were reluctant to take our offer, which was a strong offer, mostly cash. But we said, 'Look, this is all we are willing to spend, and there are several other houses.'

"You're in a position where, if you want to be aggressive, you can play the sellers off against each other."

Aberle took his own haircut earlier this year when he sold in New Jersey: "We sold for 10 percent less than it would have been in 2005."

Yetta Levitt knows exactly what she is doing as she attempts to market her own spacious waterfront home in the Nokomis subdivision of Sorrento Woods for $850,000.

It is on the Internet with pictures and arrows; Levitt is offering a bonus to the selling agent; she will provide a full mortgage with only 5 percent down.

The problem is there aren't many buyers floating around.

"All I can say is nothing in my neighborhood is moving," Levitt said, noting that one of the less expensive, nonwaterfront homes in her 210-home subdivision sold last month for $410,000. "Prior to that sale, I believe the last sale was November 2005."

The numbers released Tuesday back up Levitt's theme.

In the Sarasota-Bradenton market, 24 percent fewer homes sold this October than October 2005. Sales were virtually flat in Charlotte County-North Port: 226 compared with 225 in 2005.

The Florida Association of Realtors noted that Hurricane Wilma struck Southwest and South Florida during the last week of October 2005, and that the storm's disruption likely reduced the number of sales in many communities.

If activity had been normal, the drop in sales would have been even more pronounced.

Sales nationally edged up 0.5 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 6.24 million in October. It was the first monthly increase after seven consecutive months of declines.

Meanwhile, Florida's total sales dropped 22 percent, from 16,407 in October 2005 to 12,773 last month.

'About right'

Some Realtors said the price drop during October is what is to be expected in a market where listings have multiplied from the heady days of the real estate market of the last three years, a time when homes moved in a matter of days.

Pricing in 2005 represented historic highs for the region, said Tom Heatherman, a spokesman for Michael Saunders & Co.

"We have experienced some double digit declines, but we are backing off what were historic increases over the previous years," Heatherman said.

Chad Roffers, president of Sarasota-based Sky Sotheby's Realty, said the price decline goes hand in hand with slowing sales.

"An 18 percent decrease feels about right. We're seeing unit sales down by a third across the board and prices off by 20 percent from the peak in mid-2005," said Chad Roffers, president of Sarasota-based Sky Sotheby's.

"We are seeing a 'liquidity point' at values similar to those that existed in the fourth quarter of 2004. Those sellers who accept that level of value are seeing action. Those who hold out for 2005 prices are not."

Budge Huskey, president and chief operating officer of Coldwell Banker Residential Real Estate, agreed.

"These results should not come as a surprise. Price is a function of inventory levels, which have risen across the board," Huskey said, adding that "in some areas we're starting to see inventory levels stabilize or flatten out, although we're not at a point where we've reached equilibrium."

Huskey said pricing is the key: "Aggressive pricing and positioning are important right now for sellers."

He is not convinced that prices are done declining. "Sell now; you may get less in three months than today."

Coldwell Banker has closed 15 of the Florida offices that Huskey oversees from Sarasota, bringing the total to about 160. Real estate agents working for the company, meanwhile, total about 6,800, down 5.5 percent from 7,200 last year.

Homes were not the only part of the housing sector taking a hit in October.

Sales of condominiums in the Sarasota-Bradenton market were off 51 percent from the same time a year ago. The median sales price dropped 27 percent, from $294,000 to $216,000.

"Condos always go belly up when economy gets sluggish," said Barbara Anson of Manatee County's Wagner Realty.

Charlotte County-North Port saw a 24 percent drop in sales, but pricing in the market, which has few condos to offer, was difficult to use as any accurate gauge.

Anson said the 18 percent drop in home prices during October "was caused by homes in the region being overpriced," and she said the same is true across other classes of property.

"We now have to come back to reality," she said. "I am explaining to my sellers in Myakka that the bubble has busted. They're not going to get $350,000-$400,000 for a 10-acre parcel like they used to. They'll get $200,000."

Anson is seeing a lot of "half-backs," people who have moved halfway back north to places like Georgia, the Carolinas and Tennessee, where lower-priced housing is more readily available.

"We've priced ourselves out of the market and it'll take at least a year to get it corrected," she said. "I tell my clients, 'Don't think some Yankee will come down here and buy your property just because it's in Florida.'"

Chuck Edwards and his wife, a pair of those halfbacks, have been wheeling and dealing in Sarasota residential property for 13 years.

They decided last year to cash in their chips and move to coastal South Carolina.

Edwards still has eight Sarasota-Bradenton properties that he wants to sell.

He has been trying to sell 2408 Riverbluff Parkway for more than a year.

At first, he asked for $305,900 on this 55-and-older community home with boat docks available to owners. Now the price is $285,000 as a straight sale.

"We bought it right at the tail end of when the market was going crazy, where all you had to do was put a little two-by-five sign out there and somebody would buy it right away," Edwards said.

To make his Riverbluff Parkway house more palatable in today's tough market, Edwards is also making it available at a higher price of $289,500 for those who want to lease with an option to buy within a year.

"We are offering a lease option for it and any property we have, except for the personal house.

"I need to cash out of that."


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To: GodGunsGuts
Even the FED now realized that inflation is becoming persistent.

We have inflation? Then why would your $3000 gold/dollar peg correct our deflation problem? What deflation problem?

121 posted on 12/01/2006 9:48:10 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Gigi knows we have a serious "flation" problem. He just hasn't decided if it's "in" or "de" but he'll be sure to let us know after the fact.


122 posted on 12/01/2006 9:52:10 AM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I still haven't figured that one out. At the very minimum we should be steadily adding to our gold reserves until such time as we can figure out how to make the switch. The question I haven't been able to figure out is what the gold/dollar peg would have to be valued at in order to prevent inflation or deflation during the switch. When I get enough time to seriously think about it, I'll let you know my solution and see if you can pick it apart.


123 posted on 12/01/2006 9:58:36 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: ex-Texan

New York City was the only major city in America to show an increase in prices.


124 posted on 12/01/2006 9:59:05 AM PST by montag813
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To: GodGunsGuts
The actual level of inflation is significantly higher

What's the actual level? Source?

125 posted on 12/01/2006 10:00:09 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: RobRoy

==Crevo threads

Crevo threads? Is that short for Creation-evolution threads?


126 posted on 12/01/2006 10:00:34 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I still haven't figured that one out.

You haven't figured out where the deflation is that you earlier said was a problem? That doesn't make sense. Either we have inflation or deflation.

127 posted on 12/01/2006 10:02:16 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yup.


128 posted on 12/01/2006 10:03:37 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yup. I had a 200 post limit. Once they went beyond that it was pretty much all name calling and "fact" spamming. The evos did it much more than the creationists, but there was plenty of it going around. That has abated of late and I don't really know why.


129 posted on 12/01/2006 10:04:47 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Larry Lucido; dighton; martin_fierro
Either we have inflation or deflation.

America is suffering a severe flation crisis. Time to buy gold.

130 posted on 12/01/2006 10:05:29 AM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: Petronski
America is suffering a severe flation crisis. Time to buy gold.

There is never a bad time to add to your BAHOG.

131 posted on 12/01/2006 10:07:21 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Mamzelle

I got notice that my villa insurance will increase $1,000 for next year. I will be paying $2,300 now. UNbelievable.


132 posted on 12/01/2006 10:09:35 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: ex-Texan

The article makes no mention of Hurricane Charley plowing through the region in 2004 and the upheaval it likely caused in the real estate market.

My brother in South Florida recently sold his home that had gone through Hurricane Wilma with little structural damage but he still had trouble finding a buyer.

I think hurricanes are a factor in the numbers cited here, not as a harbinger of national home sale decline.


133 posted on 12/01/2006 10:14:42 AM PST by Tall_Texan (NO McCain, Rudy, Romney, Hillary, Kerry, Obama or Gore in 2008!)
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To: RobRoy
the market will respond with refi options. reward has another face, and that's called risk.
134 posted on 12/01/2006 10:53:16 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Yeah, my daughter is a mortgage broker, as is my brother (he is also securities licensed).

Problem is, if you bought a home for $500,000 with a negative amortization 100% loan and can barely make your payments, and now the home appraises at $420,000, how are you gonna refi?


135 posted on 12/01/2006 10:57:01 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: RobRoy

I no next to nothing about mortgages. I just know when the proper incentive exists, risks can be mitigated. It's not cheap or easy; however, I fully expect some innovative players to respond with a solution people in that situation because a) the market for it is large and b) they really don't want to foreclose.


136 posted on 12/01/2006 11:02:59 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: RobRoy
"I no next to nothing..."

well, then, I guess I went and proved it, too.

s/b "I know next to nothing..."

eek.

137 posted on 12/01/2006 11:03:42 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: ex-Texan

Why are there so many freepers acting so giddy over the prospects of fellow americans losing money in Real Estate?

I thought democrats had the franchise on exploiting class envy.


138 posted on 12/01/2006 11:06:23 AM PST by ptlurking
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To: ptlurking
Why are there so many freepers acting so giddy over the prospects of fellow americans losing money in Real Estate?

Misery loves company.

139 posted on 12/01/2006 11:07:19 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I don't even know if we are referring to the same thread. I said that you brought up a good point about a gold standard causing deflation. So I pinged you a Rothbard article, in which he argues that the price of gold should be inflated to cover the money supply. I estimated that would be about $3000 an ounce. You then replied that that would cause massive inflation. After I thought about it a while, I realized that you were right. When I get some time, I plan to try and figure out if it is possible to switch to a gold standard without major disruption. In the meantime, we need to mandate that the FED track gold when setting interest rates IMO.
140 posted on 12/01/2006 11:08:05 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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