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Build Your Own Universe
NPR ^ | 11/27/06 | Robert Krulwich

Posted on 11/29/2006 4:19:47 PM PST by LibWhacker

Is this a joke? No, say a bunch of physicists. One day, it may be possible for a person to create a universe!

This is not going to happen tomorrow. Not even close. But according to Columbia University physics professor Brian Greene, it is theoretically not impossible (which is his way of saying the possibilities are not zero) that one day, a person could build a universe.

The very idea is so startling it's hard to know what this means.

Think about it this way: One day (far off, no doubt), it may be possible to go into a laboratory on Earth, create a "seed" -- a device that could grow into a universe -- and then there would have to be a way to get that seed, on command, to safely expand into a separate, infinite, unexplorable but very real alternate universe.

Got that?

This isn't Greene's notion. But he was willing to describe, in very broad outline, how it might work.

The seed, he suggests, could be a black hole. Not the big black holes that sit near the centers of so many galaxies, but what he calls a "mini black hole." Black holes, he says, don't have to be big. They can, in theory, be very small.

I asked him how small, and together we conducted an imaginary (very imaginary) experiment. If you listen to my interview, you will hear us build a mini black hole from an ordinary watermelon.

It's a fanciful experiment done with imaginary sound effects, but it playfully suggests these mini black holes might be manufactured one day. There may even be a real-life attempt. Plans are afoot to detect mini black holes at the new Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland.

Greene also describes a kind of energy, called a "repulsive force," that might be capable of turning that seed into a new universe. The problem is, no one is yet sure how this force works or why. But Eduardo Guendelman, a physicist at Ben Gurion University in Beer Sheva, Israel, and Nobuyuki Sakai and his team at Yamagata University in Japan are working on the problem right now.

But suppose it is possible to create something that grows infinitely and becomes a universe somewhere else, why do it if you can't go and visit your creation? If you can't pop in, take a look and come back, why bother?

In the July 8, 2006 issue, New Scientist writer Zeeya Merali put that question to Stanford cosmologist Andre Linde.

"I sat down and really thought about why we should even care about creating a universe in the laboratory, " he told New Scientist, "We don't seem to be able to communicate with it at all."

Once it's formed, the inventor couldn't meet its inhabitants, mine its minerals, collect souvenirs or judge his or her success. The biblical god who many believe created our universe inspected us on the first through sixth day and decided that what He'd done "was good."

That's not an option for the human scientist who creates.

So why do it? Well, Greene says given the chance to make a universe of his own, "I might have a little trouble resisting this possibility. Just because it's so curious, this idea that because of your volitional act, you are creating a universe that could give rise, perhaps, to things we see around us."

Linde seconded that in his New Scientist interview.

"Just imagine if it's true and there's even a small chance it really could work," he said. "In this perspective, each of us can become a god."

Oh, the vanity of it all!


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To: Zon

Rom 1:21-22

21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
NASU


61 posted on 11/29/2006 8:48:42 PM PST by streetpreacher (RUDY/ROMNEY 2008: Fair and Balanced)
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To: gb63

I think Inflation is by far the top candidate based on the latest observations.


62 posted on 11/29/2006 8:51:06 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: sourcery
The "shock value" of this idea relies on misusing the term "universe." By definition, there is only one universe. To speak of "multiple universes" necessarily involves a new, different meaning of "universe." Of course, the same fate befell the term "world."

As more extra-solar planets are discovered, "solar system" is also similarly misused.

63 posted on 11/29/2006 8:54:43 PM PST by johnpannell
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To: sourcery

We might, following Einstein, say a universe is an inertial space where the laws of physics are uniform in all directions. If there is another inertial space with different laws of physics, it would be a different universe. That is, defining universe as 'all there is' would do away with regimes of physical laws and destroy some possible utility of the word. The term 'world' could remain as 'all there is,' or we might use the neologism 'multiverse,' which ought to be reserved for further possibilities IMHO.


64 posted on 11/30/2006 8:44:10 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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The SF book Cosm by Gregory Benford has this concept at its core. It's an enjoyable book, but a little contrived on the legal/political side.
65 posted on 11/30/2006 8:56:35 AM PST by vollmond (Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!)
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To: Moonman62
the real trick is to make something out of nothing.

Many acknowledge that Genesis does not claim the making of something out of nothing. Even taking Ge 1:1 as part of the process rather than a chapter heading, it does not say 'out of nothing.'

66 posted on 11/30/2006 8:57:44 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: right way right

In the future, Man's knowledge grows mightily ... as does his conceit.

Man: "God, my wisdom has grown to match your own. I challenge you to a contest of making New Man!"
God: "Ok."
[God reaches down and forms a New Man from the dust of the earth.]
Man: "That's nice. My turn!"
[Man reaches down to the dust of the earth.]
God: "Get your own dirt."


67 posted on 11/30/2006 8:58:17 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: gb63

Particles and waves are the same, merely perceived differently at our limited scale of observation.


68 posted on 11/30/2006 8:59:32 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Zon

The human brain is about 2 pounds of goop.
The universe is much larger.


69 posted on 11/30/2006 9:02:11 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: cripplecreek
The inhabitants of a universe started with a black hole seed made from a Watermelon.

watermelon (8K)

70 posted on 11/30/2006 9:30:22 AM PST by CharacterCounts (-)
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To: cripplecreek
Professor Hubert Farnsworth has already done it.

Farnsworth A: Let's recap what's happened so far. [He presses a button and a hologram appears over the table.] As you can see, I accidentally created a box containing your universe.

Farnsworth 1: While I, in a simultaneous blunder, created a box containing your universe.

Leela A: This is getting confusing. Why don't we call our universe "Universe A" and this universe "Universe B"?

Bender 1: Hey! Why can't we be Universe A?

Fry 1: Yeah!

Amy 1: Yeah!

Farnsworth 1: We want A!

Zoidberg 1: It's the best letter!

Fry A: We called it first. Besides, this place kinda feels like a "B", y'know?

Leela 1: Alright, you can be crummy Universe A and we'll be Universe 1.
71 posted on 11/30/2006 9:30:40 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (A liberal is a suicide bomber without the guts)
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To: LibWhacker

>>Is this a joke? No, say a bunch of physicists. One day, it may be possible for a person to create a universe! <<

And if you do, and there are people in it, and one of them says that their universe was created, the "scientists there will say "THAT'S NOT SCIENCE!".


72 posted on 11/30/2006 9:32:45 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: lesser_satan

>.Philosophers' heads are probably exploding as they read this.<<

Those who refuse to even consider intelligent design will most definitely be required to have their heads explode.


73 posted on 11/30/2006 9:35:05 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: ctdonath2

And isn't it a profound realization that conscious beings increasingly understand nature to increasingly control nature, up to and beyond creating Universes is the nature of conscious beings. That conscious humans are in early infancy of coming into their own. That matter and energy -- two macro components of existence -- alone are destined to cycle infinitely with nothing uniquely new being created Yet with the third macro component of existence -- conscious beings -- limitless new realms of existence are created.


74 posted on 11/30/2006 12:00:57 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: gb63

runs in Windows Vista 2010


which is in WHICH universe?


75 posted on 11/30/2006 12:07:15 PM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: litehaus

Vista 2010 is planned for release in 2010, but of course it will be 2012. Features Microsoft Linux core. Price will be 399.00 for basic Home edition. Order now.....


76 posted on 11/30/2006 12:10:37 PM PST by gb63
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To: Zon

You grossly miss my point.
Again:

The human brain is two pounds of goop.
The universe is much bigger.

While 'tis remarkable how much of the latter can be comprehended and manipulated by the former, 'tis a sign of madness to think that lump can "create Universes".


77 posted on 11/30/2006 1:28:48 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

You grossly miss my point.

I missed nothing. I knew the limitations you impose upon yourself, your thinking. I merely chose not to play into them.

"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they're yours." -- Richard Bach

And this: Ignorance is easily dispelled.

78 posted on 11/30/2006 2:05:45 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Zon

Someone needs a pass thru the Total Perspective Vortex...


79 posted on 11/30/2006 2:11:12 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

You lost me. But if you think it will help you, go for it.


80 posted on 11/30/2006 5:56:20 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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