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To: RockinRight; Froufrou; goldstategop; 2banana

You nailed it. "First home"? Fugeddaboudit!!

I'll paint a "real life" picture for you, here.
After taxes, 401k, and my portion of my medical and dental I knock down a shade over $60K. I bought a house 15 years ago in the low-end part of Concord, CA. 3br, 1 ba, 960sqares, built in 1955. Paid $132K. Today, it appraises at about $500K-$525K, but it's been as high as $560K. I owe around $160K on it (re-fi'd and put $80K into a 500sq. ft. addition about five years ago), so I've got plenty of equity. Probably too much, actually, but let's just call it an even $350K.

Anyway, I've looked seriously at relocating to chop my commute by at least 50%, so that puts me into areas where "average" homes run $650K to $750K. So, say I buy a $650K house. I get a $300K loan and decide to go with a 15 year term, so my payments are about $3200 a month. My current tax basis is about $180K, so I'm in for $2,400 a year. My new tax basis of $650K puts me in for over $8,600 a year in property taxes! That's over $700 a month. Throw in $300 a month for PG&E and I'm in for another grand.

Well, just that, right there, adds up to over $4,200 and I'm only walking in the door every month with $5,200. That leaves $1,000 for EVERYTHING else for a family of six, and I'm supposedly one of the guys that's doin' alright.

I just don't see how anyone without $250K in equity (or cash) and a net income of at least $4K a month could get into a house and remain financially solvent. Tragicaly, I think a large number have, over the last several years, taken advantage of crazy loans with terms like "five years at 1.00%" and those five years have begun to run out. I'm afraid we're going to see MANY people discovering that they cannot afford a REAL house payment, and MANY of them discovering that they need to get out from under houses that are now appraising for 5%-15% less than what they paid for them, and that's going to precipitate a considerable financal disaster for many of them.


125 posted on 11/30/2006 1:24:20 AM PST by HKMk23 (PRO-LIFE: Because a Person's a Person, no matter how small.)
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To: HKMk23

Best of luck to you.

Have you considered leaving Kaliforniastan because of this? Or would you probably just stay in your current home instead?


126 posted on 11/30/2006 4:56:08 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: HKMk23
Good post - the only thing I would add is that to afford an affordable house today - it is now mandatory the both husband and wife have excellent paying full time jobs. Who raises the kids - I dunno...
129 posted on 11/30/2006 5:58:53 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: HKMk23

This is a real heartbreak for much of the country. I see that you have, no doubt, elected to upgrade your vehicle so that you may better ~ahem~ "enjoy" that long commute.

BTW - that's what I just did. Bought a Highlander Hybrid.

;o)


130 posted on 11/30/2006 6:08:49 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: HKMk23
I bought a house 15 years ago in the low-end part of Concord, CA.

Hey, neighbor! I'm in Walnut Creek, and chose not to buy a house in the Bay Area - property taxes being one of the major factors. I bought in Las Vegas instead, where the taxes are about a quarter of what they are here. I'll only get to use my house part-time as long as I'm working in San Francisco, but I've been able to rent a condo in Walnut Creek at a rate far lower than my mortgage payments on it would be.

I just don't see how anyone without $250K in equity (or cash) and a net income of at least $4K a month could get into a house and remain financially solvent.

Yes, those are reasonable minimums for entry into the Bay Area market. As you point out, lenders have bent the rules beyond all reason, and a lot of folks are going to get trapped.

137 posted on 11/30/2006 6:41:52 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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