[MNJohnnie]

Basically here is what the Freeper Generals would have us do in Iraq.

Americans: Yo, all you Iraqis. Now we know you all have been oppressed and terrorized by Saddam and his goons for about 40 years so we came over here to show you a better way. So gather round and we are going to teach you this thing called Democracy. We want to teach you this cause we figure if we get can get enough of you following this ideology you will not follow the ideology that preaches it is a good thing to fly airplanes into buildings full of our Civilians.

Now the first things you need to learn is this part about the Rule of Law. Study the sub chapters on Innocent until prove Guilty, Trial by Jury, Right to Legal Representation and really important, the chapter on outlawing Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ok, now while you do that, we are going to arbitrarily round up and kill any Iraqis who we think maybe have ever talked mean about us.


What? No we are not going to bother with any of that messy Democracy stuff cause we are at war. And according to our Holloweird Movie guide to Military Action flicks any time you are at war you can waste anyone who pisses you off for what ever reason you want any way you want to do it. According to Hollyweird, we don't need nothing like proof or nothing we can just go wack that little Al Sadr freak cause he pisses us off. Evidence? We don't need no stickin' evidence. Our action movie heros never bother with any evidence. In the Movie we watch on TV says we are just suppose to go kill him because he pisses us off so that what we want to do here. Now quit talking back and learn our lessons on Democracy.

Iraqi 1. Hey Mahmoud, why are we helping these clowns?

Iraqi 2. What do you mean Achmed, they got rid of Saddam!

Iraqi 1. They did? Looks to me like they just took his place.

Iraqi 2. Well ya so?

Iraqi 1. Well at least the old thugs were from around here. These guys are not only from out of town they are not even Muslims. We may has well have Muslim thugs if we got to have thugs.

Iraqi 2. You right, time to join the Jihad!

That is what Freeper General Counter Insurgency doctrine as learned from watching TV Sitcoms would produce. It is utter stupidity but forget trying to penetrate their welded shut minds. They are too busy screaming what Democrat Campaign Contributor Mike Savage told them to say to do any thinking about Iraq.

Way past time the Freeper Know Nothings sit down, shut up and actually finally learns some BASIC facts about Iraq. Why are you all so afraid to actually LEARN something? Afraid you might have to finally admit you all have been wrong about Iraq from the start?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Security_Forces

http://icasualties.org/oif/

http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx

[GoLightly]

If the whole problem is Islam, are we in some kind of worldwide quest to establish Christianity's dominance over Islam? I'm having a difficult time reconciling with those who advocate spreading it by the sword.

If Islam is the problem & conversion to Christianity is a reach, then I ask, are we in some kind of worldwide quest to establish secularism's dominance over Islam?

Abandoning all of our principles in defense of them is still abandoning them. That must mean they're not worth much of anything, it is not possible to create a lasting society based on them. So why are we trying to sell others on something we don't even believe ourselves?

You usually come at the question from a tactical perspective, which is good & necessary.

You can catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar... Is my chick mentality kicking in when I say that?

[Rurudyne]

While I'm not exactly sure of what I posted that would inspire you to apparently refer to me as a "know nothing", let me say that I'm reasonably well aware of the facts on the ground.

None of the facts you cited surprised me in the least (though you should probably be vewy, vewy cawefull about Wikipedia if you'we doing anything sewious).

As for what I posed about terrorist preferring "soft targets" ... this couldn't possibly be the source for your comment if it was aimed at me. The simple truth is that even a suicide bomber enjoins a lower risk to the "success" of his mission if his targets fall into the class of hardened military assets like pizzerias, weddings, or the dreaded public bus.

This is what distinguishes a "terrorist" from an old school ununiformed partisan: one targets exposed personnel and civilians as a matter of preference in order to inspire terror and fear. The other targets the military forces it opposes. One relies on the cowardice of the enemy––which may well be far away in relative safety. The other relies on the bravery of the local population to endure what an occupier may do in reprisal.

The list could go on, but you get the idea.

Terrorism is a political and public relations war foisted on a people in hopes that they will be prove to be led by Chamberlins rather than Churchills.

It isn't really a bad bet either: even after the way Churchill was proved so very right the Brits couldn't wait to get rid of him till the next emergency arose ... so it may safely be assumed that––"Good being dumb." to quote Dark Helmet––people who don't even have a clue about this sort of evil have acted especially stupid in the past and will continue to do so in the future.