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PLEASE BE ADVISED, THE PROBLEM IS ISLAM
Michael Westfall's...THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE WORKER ^ | 12-01-2006 | REV. KIRBY

Posted on 11/26/2006 12:09:11 PM PST by carolgr

Radical Islam is understandably perceived as the origin of the majority of terrorism today. The average Muslim on the other hand, is perceived as being a group that would never become involved with terrorism. This perception is seriously flawed and fatally dangerous. What is the source that feeds radical Islam? The religious ideation is extrapolated from the Koran itself. Islam's sacred literature is the source, which allows for the terrorist attacks we see today. Islam is thought to be a peaceful religion. Both history and current events prove otherwise.

Islam is very clear about not being friends with Christians even though Allah is the Arabic name for God. However the God of Islam is not the God Christians worship.

Sura "5.51": O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them;

Islam differs sharply with Christianity on cardinal doctrines like the divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity. The Koran clearly teaches to kill and dismember your enemies and espouses war for the advancement of Islam. Warfare against unbelievers is repeatedly taught in the Koran. Not every Muslim would ascribe to Jihad and secretly plot against the United States. However sources say Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. (5) With a world population of one in five persons being Muslim, and estimates of 15%, which are radical Muslims, and another 15%, which can be swayed to become radical Muslims, the problem should be apparent. With a population of over one billion Muslims the estimates are 150 million radicals currently with an additional 150 million Muslims who can be recruited into the ranks of radical Islam (6)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
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To: takenoprisoner; durasell
"... Again, the analogy is ludicrous...since Brown's motive wasn't the spread of Christianity, it was to end slavery."

Even if the claim were that Brown's motive arose from his adherence to Christian principles rather than a desire to proselytize, that claim would also be hard to support given the numerous axe murders committed by Brown and his sons.

John Brown was an unhinged fanatic who just happened to fixate on slavery as his excuse for unleashing his rage on others. I only regret that the POS could only be hanged once.

101 posted on 11/26/2006 3:55:14 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: carolgr

"Islam is thought to be a peaceful religion. Both history and current events prove otherwise."

Exactly right.


102 posted on 11/26/2006 3:57:46 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: COEXERJ145

"I don't advocate genocide unlike a lot of people here do."

We are in the middle of a war against islamic terrorism. The enemy in this war is composed entirely of muslims. The enemy has been officially identified as (radical)muslims. The fog of war sometimes makes some indistinguishable from the rest. While you are conflicted, others are not.


103 posted on 11/26/2006 4:00:29 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: MNJohnnie

"dying on OUR side in the war ARE Muslims"

They aren't on "our side". They're on their OWN side.


104 posted on 11/26/2006 4:03:00 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: Natural Law
"The problem isn't Islam, I can find an equal number of commands to kill in the Old Testament ans in Papal Bulls of the middle ages. "

Oh, BS. Nothing in the Old Testament is forward looking as Sura 9 in the Koran is.

The problem IS Islam. We don't have this level of problems with Arab non-Muslims.
105 posted on 11/26/2006 4:04:05 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: djf

Yes religion is definitly used by the Jihadis to justify killing civilians. Islam is a vile religion. This is not to say all Muslims are evil, however my statement stands. Islam is a vile religion. One billion adherents and how many contribute to world peace?


106 posted on 11/26/2006 4:10:47 PM PST by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: GoLightly

We have more Muslim allies fighting in the WoT on our side than those of any other religion."

We don't have any muslim allies "fighting on our side".
We have muslims using the bodies of our troops to further their own agendas.


107 posted on 11/26/2006 4:17:21 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus

From a social, political, and economic standpoint, the whole thing stinks.

I am opposed to our being in Iraq. I'm sure tons of folks will want to pour on the cliches, "Cut and run", "What about all the innocent Iraqis?", yada yada.

But thats a bunch of BS. As far as the "innocent Iraqis" go, let them save their own dam lives. Unless they are willing to prove that, they ain't worth a single drop of our young Americans blood.


108 posted on 11/26/2006 4:22:16 PM PST by djf (Only immigration question needed: You coming here to JOIN US or to CONQUER US?)
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To: Bonaparte

Hence Christianity is capable of producing unhinged fanatics...


109 posted on 11/26/2006 4:23:06 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: MNJohnnie

the Kurds for example, are Muslims"

Our allies The Kurds:

The region's religious affairs minister, Muhammed Ahmed Gaznayi, said people who turn to Christianity are "renegades" in the eyes of Islam.

"I consider that those who turn to Christianity pose a threat to society," he added.


110 posted on 11/26/2006 4:24:59 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: carolgr

Geese, maybe Valin should read this. I will have to ping him.


111 posted on 11/26/2006 4:25:38 PM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: newfreep

Appears you have confirmed you are a part of the appeasing socialist libs defending the koranimals.
islam is not a religion and only a godless village idiot would think otherwise.

It is a death cult based on a rock, a pedaphile and a series of socialist dictators. History and current events have shown this evil to us.

You are with us or against us. So take your koranimal loving evil somewhere else...and wear a target so we'll easily find you.






http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/06/images/20030603-1_jordan-p30712-28-515h.html


112 posted on 11/26/2006 4:26:00 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Valin

Ping.


113 posted on 11/26/2006 4:26:34 PM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: COEXERJ145

If we kill a billion people, then we're not better then the terrorists we wish to defeat."

The "radical" muslims want to kill us or make us their slaves.
Either your wife, mother, daughter, grandaughter, would be killed or taken as a sex slave, raped and ?.

If the muslim's wife doesn't like it and kills the dhimmi slave, the worst that would happen to her is a beating from her husband.

If we kill a billion of these animals, the world is a better place.


114 posted on 11/26/2006 4:41:53 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: durasell

"The comparison was to show Christians acting as "terrorists."

No, the camparison was to show Christians are just like the muslim terrorists.


115 posted on 11/26/2006 4:51:24 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner

No, the camparison was to show Christians are just like the muslim terrorists.



No, Christians who have used terror aren't like Muslim terrorists for a lot of reasons. Goals, methodology, etc. etc. are different. Just as Jews who have used terror are different.

The world is much more subtle than you suppose.


116 posted on 11/26/2006 5:01:45 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Mr. Buzzcut
A man of War cannot found a "religion of Peace".

I've spent the last few years trying to make people get the obvious point.
I wonder if your forehead is as sore as mine?

The problem when dealing with this so-called "religion of peace" is that people don't understand that it is actually the peaceable Muslims who are on shaky theological ground.

A comparable theological brouhaha can be found in those liberal churches that assert that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality as a behavior: this despite the fact that the scriptures are very clear that homosexual behavior––like any form of sexual misconduct––is a sin worthy of divine condemnation.

However a belief to the contrary may be justified, it must always fall down to excusing away the scriptures to allow for the behavior.

In a similar vein, "liberal Muslims" can be peaceable (which means more than just not being pugnacious, hostile or openly warlike) only by ignoring the abundant commandments for jihad.

In essence, to be peaceable a Muslim must excuse away the Koran ... which is not really a proposition I have any problem with (since I, myself, am utterly dismissive of the book).
117 posted on 11/26/2006 5:27:46 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: durasell
"Hence Christianity is capable of producing unhinged fanatics..."

More likely, fanatics are capable of fixating on Christianity to justify the outrages they would perpetrate on society in any case -- whether that's drowning all their children in a bathtub or chopping up people they don't agree with or forcing others to drink poison kool-aid.

Unlike mohammed, Jesus never preached the killing of the innocent.

118 posted on 11/26/2006 5:29:02 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
"Oh, BS. Nothing in the Old Testament is forward looking as Sura 9"

I can think of a few:

Numbers 31:7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.

Numbers 31:17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,

Joshua 8:24 When Israel had finished killing all the men of Ai in the fields and in the desert where they had chased them, and when every one of them had been put to the sword, all the Israelites returned to Ai and killed those who were in it.

Judges 21:11 "This is what you are to do," they said. "Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin."

119 posted on 11/26/2006 5:32:10 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

"I can think of a few:"

A problem with your examples is that NONE of them are forward-looking. You do know what "forward-looking" means in this context?


120 posted on 11/26/2006 5:55:39 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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