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Civil jury fines rancher in illegal-alien dispute
The Washington Times ^ | 11/25/2006 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 11/25/2006 4:40:43 AM PST by peyton randolph

An Arizona rancher who has waged a five-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal aliens from crossing his property has been ordered by a civil jury to pay nearly $100,000 for a 2004 incident during which he confronted a family hunting on his land. Roger Barnett, 62, who began rounding up illegal aliens after he said they destroyed his property, killed calves and broke into his home, was ordered to pay Ronald Morales, his father, his two young daughters and their friend on claims of negligence, false imprisonment and emotional distress. ...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aclu; aliens; crimaliens; frobls; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; openborders; reconquista; rogerbarnett
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To: Ben Ficklin

Typical illegal alien advocate: answering a question with a question and constantly shifting the argument to a different subject. Your view is indefensible. Since you love mother Mehico, feel free to hit the road.


301 posted on 11/26/2006 7:04:02 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

The fact is, they weren't illegal. For you, Seper, and Barnett, they're mescuns.


302 posted on 11/26/2006 7:59:22 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Have you been anywhere near border crossing areas?
They swarm across like locusts taking whatever private property in their path they want. They drain any water storage barrels they find leaving NOTHING for the people who depend on that water. They terrorize people at all hours. Thirty people suddenly show at your property at three AM demanding food and water. They leave trash, vehicles, parts of vehicles all over. They mark out routes for others to follow and trash. They have their own stations with water jugs stationed. At these "stations" there is a tremendous amount of trash and whatever articles they leave because they can't carry them anymore.
And you wonder why they get a bad name???????????


303 posted on 11/26/2006 9:09:22 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: smoketree; Ben Ficklin

Unfortunately, you're preaching to the choir.. open border advocates like Ben don't care about the hardship this swarm creates (for American Citizens) in it's path, instead choosing to call those of us wanting it stopped racists.


304 posted on 11/26/2006 9:24:46 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: smoketree; Arizona Carolyn
I think most people broadly agree, that is a problem.

I think most people broadly agree, illegal immigration is a serious problem.

However, when it comes to a solution to the problem of illegal immigration, there is no broad agreement.

Some people say that the illegals should be deported.
Some say attrition theory is the best solution.
Some say the illegals should become guest workers.
Some say illegals should have a chance at citizenship.

But you don't need to worry your little ol' head about anymore. The democrats are now in charge and they will take care of the problem.

305 posted on 11/26/2006 9:44:30 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

The rats are in charge.
Now I'm really worried.


306 posted on 11/26/2006 9:47:27 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: peyton randolph
typo...should have been only one "la."

No, "la la" sounds right to me.

307 posted on 11/26/2006 9:52:49 AM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
"In the East and South there are timber leases."

Wrongo, bwana: timberlands in the South and the East are almost exclusively owned by the big paper and timer products companies.

Here in Texas, only a miniscule amount of land is government-owned; it is almost ALL privately-owned: timber, grazing, oilfields - you name it

308 posted on 11/26/2006 10:49:02 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Redbob

***Here in Texas, only a miniscule amount of land is government-owned; it is almost ALL privately-owned: timber, grazing, oilfields - you name it***

I know. You can't even get off the pavement without trespassing, unless you have a hunting lease.

But in areas where there is lots of public hunting land being locked up there is no excuse for not having access.


309 posted on 11/26/2006 10:58:29 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best fire hose is an AK-47.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Are you really naive enough to think that this was about poor little Mr. Morales, who can't show any damages in court? (I know, he was coached to say that he was "traumatized".) The purpose of the lawsuit was to propagate further illegal immigration.

Notice they didn't go after him in criminal court. They sued knowing that if they won, it would open up the rancher to a slew of future lawsuits that would destroy him financially and get him kicked off his ranch if he did anything but bow to the illegal aliens and let them operate unfettered. You missed the point of the entire article, it is about illegal immigration.

Score a big one for the illegals. Now Mr. Barnett faces financial ruin if he stops illegal aliens from crossing his land unfettered and treating it like an open sewer.

310 posted on 11/26/2006 11:38:52 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Can you get it thru your head, Morales ain't illegal.


311 posted on 11/26/2006 11:52:55 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I thought it was established that the Morales family are US citizens and not illegals.

There is about 90 miles across of border down there that is neither US territory nor Mexican territory. It is the sovereign land of the Tohono O'odham Indian nation and tribal members live on both sides of the border. Some have dual US-and tribal citizenship and some have dual Mexican and tribal citizenship.


312 posted on 11/26/2006 12:05:57 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Ben Ficklin

I did not say he was. This whole thing is about more than just Morales, as stated in the first and second sentences of my reply to you. Morales being legal hasn't stopped leftist pro-illegal immigration groups from hijacking the issue and funding frivolous lawsuits to further that agenda.


313 posted on 11/26/2006 12:39:18 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Go take a reading comprehension class because you've completely missed the point of the entire article.


314 posted on 11/26/2006 12:40:42 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: peyton randolph

Yep.


315 posted on 11/26/2006 4:11:51 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Well, I'm proud to say I didn't contribute to a bloom of Democrats in Arizona.. my GOP reps, State and Federal, won. We're still stuck with a dem governor, though... but, I voted against her. Above all else the borders need to be closed, locked down and then they can decide what to do with the 20-30 million that already snuck in.


316 posted on 11/26/2006 6:03:21 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The article doesn't state that.

If they were American citizens of Hispanic extraction hunting on government land,he was wrong.

If they were illegal invaders, he was correct.

Which was it?
317 posted on 11/26/2006 10:17:34 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Condor51

If the facts are as you state, you are correct and I agree with you.


318 posted on 11/26/2006 10:18:44 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

***If they were American citizens of Hispanic extraction hunting on government land,he was wrong.

If they were illegal invaders, he was correct.

Which was it?****


From the Arkansas-Democrat Gazette, Nov 24,2006. Page 6A, left lower sidebar.

Rancher looses suit brought by hunters...

(cut to the chase)
"Morales' lawsuit claims they were legally crossing land Barnett leases from the state. The Morales are U.S.CITIZENS of Mexican descent."

The jury found in FAVOR of all five plantiffs Wednesday.


319 posted on 11/27/2006 4:48:58 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best fire hose is an AK-47.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
If we are talking about comprehension, let's talk about yours.

Glaringly, you call this a frivolous suit. The fact that there was a judgement indicates otherwise.

As for my comprehension, I comprehend this particular article as well as the overall situation.

I recognize the mis-info in the article and I recognize that all of Seper's "opinions masquerading as news" contain a lot of mis-info. Anyone relying on this article to be informed is being fooled. As I said above, I have the internet and can seek out many sources of info concerning recent developments.

Likewise, I have stayed informed, thru time, on this issue of not only Barnett, but also Ranch Rescue and the Minutemen. The similarities and dis-similarities are obvious. You would do well to understand why the Minutemen have not been the subject of civil actions, even tho they have recieved far more scrutiny than Barnett.

320 posted on 11/27/2006 5:23:08 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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