Posted on 11/24/2006 6:46:08 PM PST by kristinn
NO>..I listed countries...you tell ME which ones you are going to flatten...this is YOUR plan, not mine.
So- you think we should be in Yemen, not Iraq? You're the first one that heard that is a proponent of this.
Surely Reagan never mispelled "kiester" that badly.
I don't know what a "keyster" is... someone who keeps keys, perhaps?
"We have no idea what Iraq will be like in another 5 years...which is about how long it took for Germany to "settle down" from what I read."
Sources for that please.
On average we lose two or three troops a day. The loss of even one American is a tragedy but when you consider the casualty reports of previous wars including VietNam, this is historically low. I recall when Walter Cronkite would report the losses by the week in VietNam--hundreds each week, week after week. And the battle losses in WWII speak for themselves. It is misleading and inaccurate to imply that we are 'sitting ducks' when maybe two or three out of 140,000 are lost in a given day of operations.
I would like to see a more aggressive posture toward the insurgents where they live, and "Sadr City" is a rat's nest begging to be cleaned out with D-Con and a stiff wire brush. So no, Cut and Run is not an option, nor need it be--but "business as usual" is by no means the only possible answer, and a review of the whole approach is in order at this point.
No, are you?
Boy, Rumsfeld is the brunt of that. Is he still the SECDEF?
Thanks for making me inhale Mountain Dew thru my nose.
? Evidently, you did not read my whole post. The answer is in there. try reading it again.
NO
The facts on the ground in postwar Iraq and postwar Germany are as different as night and day. At most, only a handful Americans (that is less than thirty total) died from potshots of so-called German "insurgents." The comparison doesn't hold water but that doesn't prevent people here from making it!
You can say that again.
Iraqi officers interviewed for the oral history complained that their American trainers were often junior officers without combat experience. American officers expressed unhappiness about how their own training teams had been selected and prepared. One major tellingly remarked that “I went there with the wrong attitude and I thought I understood Iraq and the history because I had seen PowerPoint slides, but I really didn’t.”
These are useful insights. But they can only go so far when a host government lacks the will to rid its security forces of sectarian militia fighters more intent on waging civil war than achieving national stability. That so far has been the biggest obstacle in Iraq.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/opinion/26sun1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Okay...so we flatten Iran...what happens in Lebanon, England, the Phillipines...Afghanistan, Pakistan..
just to name a few...after we hit Iran??
What about N. Korea...Kimmie is good friends with Iran..and might not like it if we bomb Iran.
China and Russia are friends with Iran also..what are they gonna do??
I have no idea what you are talking about...we haven't gotten to the point, in Iraq..of the post.
Common sense says it can not be done. History says it can not be done. There is no such a thing as a kinder gentler war. That is what many in here who raise Iraq war policy questions understand but many Bush supporters do not or do not want to hear. That is why many including myself had serious questions about going into Iraq as the congression declaration was written and under our current military readiness issues..
Psst. Go and re-check Member Opinion. There is currently a big goose egg under Cut and Run for FReepers. The non-member opinion has the only votes for cut and run. This is why you could provide no links to FRiends calling for cut and run. Congratulations. You got three zottings for nothing.
"It wasn't that way in Germany during the war...or right after the war though.
If we keep a presence in Iraq over 50 years...why would that necessarily be different than Germany?
We have no idea what Iraq will be like in another 5 years...which is about how long it took for Germany to "settle down" from what I read.
I guess quitting is easier than finding out."
If the situation in Iraq isn't measurably improved by 2008, there will be a Democrat in the White House not a Republican. That will determine Iraq's future just as this month's election was primarily determined by the current situation on the ground in Iraq. The Administration's ability to be successful just became measurably more difficult with the new hostile congressional leadership.
There you go with that "I didn't want to go there..." stuff.
I don't want to argue the past..
Our military can't take another 5 more years Poppy, Clinton, and Junior have about ran it into the ground.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1742943/posts
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"A lot of us feel like we have our hands tied behind our back," says Cpl. Peter Mattice, of Bravo Company, 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment. "In Fallujah, [insurgents] know our [rules of engagement] - they know when to stop, just before we engage."
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